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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Jordan Rife <jordan@jrife.io>, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>,
	Paul Chaignon <paul.chaignon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/2] bpf: Support BPF_F_EGRESS with bpf_redirect_peer
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2026 19:53:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca79d73d-a01c-407a-aef4-e41c931aed82@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260618182035.43811-2-jordan@jrife.io>

On 6/18/26 8:20 PM, Jordan Rife wrote:
> We have several use cases where a pod injects traffic into the datapath
> of another so that the traffic appears to have originated from that
> pod. One such use case is a synthetic flow generator which injects
> synthetic traffic into a pod's datapath to enable dynamic probing and
> debugging. Another is a transparent proxy where connections originating
> from one pod are redirected towards another which proxies that
> connection. The new connection is bound to the IP of the original pod
> using IP_TRANSPARENT and its traffic is injected into that pod's
> datapath and handled as if it had originated there. This can be used for
> mTLS, etc.
> 
> We use bpf_redirect(BPF_F_INGRESS) to direct traffic leaving the proxy,
> flow generator, etc. towards the target pod, ensuring that eBPF programs
> that are meant to intercept traffic leaving that pod are executed.
> However, this doesn't work with netkit.
> 
> With netkit, an ingress redirection from proxy to workload skips eBPF
> programs that are meant to intercept traffic leaving the pod, since they
> reside on the netkit peer device. One workaround is to attach the
> same program to both the netkit peer device and the TCX ingress hook for
> the netkit pair's primary interface, but
> 
> a) This seems hacky and we need to be careful not to run the same
>     program twice for the same skb in cases where we want to pass that
>     traffic to the host stack.
> b) We're trying to keep the proxy redirection / traffic injection
>     systems as modular and separated from Cilium as possible, the system
>     that manages netkit setup and core eBPF programming.
> 
> It would be handy if instead we could redirect traffic directly from
> one netkit peer device to another. This patch proposes an extension
> to bpf_redirect_peer to allow us to do just that.
> 
> With this patch, the BPF_F_EGRESS flag tells bpf_redirect_peer to emit
> the skb in the egress direction of the target interface's peer device
> While the main use case is netkit, I suppose you could also use this
> mode with veth as well if, e.g., there were some eBPF programs attached
> to that side of the veth pair that needed to intercept traffic.
> 
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>   | +-------------------------+         6. bpf_redirect_neigh(eth0)     |
>   | | pod (10.244.0.10)       |           ------------------------      |
>   | |                         |          |                        |     |
>   | |              +--------+ |          |      +---------+       |     |
>   | | 1. packet -->|        | |          |      |         |       |     |
>   | |    leaves ^  | netkit |<===========|======| netkit  |       |     |
>   | |           |  | peer   |=======(eBPF)=====>| primary |       |     |
>   | |           |  |        | |          |      |         |       |     |
>   | |           |  +--------+ |          |      +---------+       |     |
>   | |           |             |          | 2. bpf_redirect        v     |
>   | +-----------|-------------+          |___________________   +-------|
>   |             |                                            |  | eth0  |
>   |             | 5. bpf_redirect_peer(BPF_F_EGRESS)         |  +-------|
>   |             |________________________                    |          |
>   | +-------------------------+          |                   |          |
>   | | proxy (10.244.0.11)     |          |                   |          |
>   | | IP_TRANSPARENT          |          |                   |          |
>   | |              +--------+ |          |      +---------+  |          |
>   | | 3. packet <--|        | |          |      |         |<--          |
>   | |    enters    | netkit |<===========|======| netkit  |             |
>   | |    [proxy]   | peer   |=======(eBPF)=====>| primary |             |
>   | | 4. packet -->|        | |                 |         |             |
>   | |    leaves    +--------+ |                 +---------+             |
>   | |    sip=10.244.0.10      |                                         |
>   | +-------------------------+                                         |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> Using the proxy use case as an example, in step 5 we would redirect
> traffic leaving the proxy towards the pod's peer device using
> bpf_redirect_peer(BPF_F_EGRESS).
> 
> As a bonus, since the skb doesn't have to go through the backlog queue
> it can take full advantage of netkit's performance benefits. I set up a
> test where outgoing iperf3 traffic is injected into the datapath of
> another pod using either bpf_redirect_peer(BPF_F_EGRESS) or
> bpf_redirect(BPF_F_INGRESS). I used Cilium's eBPF host routing mode
> which skips the host stack and uses BPF redirect helpers to do all the
> routing.
> 
>    (net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=cubic,mtu=1500,100GiB link,Cilium
>     eBPF host routing mode)
> 
> BASELINE [bpf_redirect(BPF_F_INGRESS)]
>    1. [iperf pod] ==bpf_redirect([pod b], BPF_F_INGRESS)==> [pod b]
>    2. [pod b]     ==bpf_redirect_neigh([eth0])==>           eth0
>    3. eth0        ==over network==>                         [host b]
> 
>    [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Retr
>    [  5]   0.00-60.00  sec   231 GBytes  33.0 Gbits/sec  12060     sender
>    [  5]   0.00-60.00  sec   230 GBytes  33.0 Gbits/sec            receiver
> 
> TEST [bpf_redirect_peer(BPF_F_EGRESS)]
>    1. [iperf pod] ==bpf_redirect_peer([pod b], BPF_F_EGRESS)==> [pod b]
>    2. [pod b]     ==bpf_redirect_neigh([eth0])==>               eth0
>    3. eth0        ==over network==>                             [host b]
> 
>    [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Retr
>    [  5]   0.00-60.00  sec   272 GBytes  38.9 Gbits/sec    0       sender
>    [  5]   0.00-60.00  sec   272 GBytes  38.9 Gbits/sec            receiver
> 
> In this test, using bpf_redirect_peer(BPF_F_EGRESS) for the hop from
> [iperf pod] to [pod b] led to ~18% more throughput compared to
> bpf_redirect(BPF_F_INGRESS).
> 
> Signed-off-by: Jordan Rife <jordan@jrife.io>
Acked-by: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-24 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-18 18:20 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 0/2] bpf: bpf_redirect_peer egress redirection Jordan Rife
2026-06-18 18:20 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/2] bpf: Support BPF_F_EGRESS with bpf_redirect_peer Jordan Rife
2026-06-24 17:53   ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2026-06-18 18:20 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 2/2] selftests/bpf: Add tests for bpf_redirect_peer with BPF_F_EGRESS Jordan Rife
2026-06-24 17:54   ` Daniel Borkmann

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