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From: "Christian Göttsche" <cgzones@googlemail.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@netfilter.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuni1840@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 net-next 2/4] net: Retire DCCP.
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 07:22:27 +0200 (GMT+02:00)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd8c8f91-336d-4dd2-b997-4f7581202e64@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQCS-TfSL4cMfBu2GszHS8DVE05Z6FH-zPXV=EiH4ZHdg@mail.gmail.com>

Apr 8, 2025 03:35:15 Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>:

> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 7:19 PM Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com> wrote:
>>
>> DCCP was orphaned in 2021 by commit 054c4610bd05 ("MAINTAINERS: dccp:
>> move Gerrit Renker to CREDITS"), which noted that the last maintainer
>> had been inactive for five years.
>>
>> In recent years, it has become a playground for syzbot, and most changes
>> to DCCP have been odd bug fixes triggered by syzbot.  Apart from that,
>> the only changes have been driven by treewide or networking API updates
>> or adjustments related to TCP.
>>
>> Thus, in 2023, we announced we would remove DCCP in 2025 via commit
>> b144fcaf46d4 ("dccp: Print deprecation notice.").
>>
>> Since then, only one individual has contacted the netdev mailing list. [0]
>>
>> There is ongoing research for Multipath DCCP.  The repository is hosted
>> on GitHub [1], and development is not taking place through the upstream
>> community.  While the repository is published under the GPLv2 license,
>> the scheduling part remains proprietary, with a LICENSE file [2] stating:
>>
>>   "This is not Open Source software."
>>
>> The researcher mentioned a plan to address the licensing issue, upstream
>> the patches, and step up as a maintainer, but there has been no further
>> communication since then.
>>
>> Maintaining DCCP for a decade without any real users has become a burden.
>>
>> Therefore, it's time to remove it.
>>
>> Removing DCCP will also provide significant benefits to TCP.  It allows
>> us to freely reorganize the layout of struct inet_connection_sock, which
>> is currently shared with DCCP, and optimize it to reduce the number of
>> cachelines accessed in the TCP fast path.
>>
>> Note that we leave uAPI headers alone for userspace programs.
>>
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20230710182253.81446-1-kuniyu@amazon.com/T/#u #[0]
>> Link: https://github.com/telekom/mp-dccp #[1]
>> Link: https://github.com/telekom/mp-dccp/blob/mpdccp_v03_k5.10/net/dccp/non_gpl_scheduler/LICENSE #[2]
>> Signed-off-by: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
>
> Adding the LSM and SELinux lists for obvious reasons, as well as Casey
> directly since he maintains Smack and I don't see him on the To/CC
> line.
>
> For those that weren't on the original posting, the lore link is below:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250407231823.95927-1-kuniyu@amazon.com
>
>> diff --git a/security/selinux/include/classmap.h b/security/selinux/include/classmap.h
>> index 04a9b480885e..5665aa5e7853 100644
>> --- a/security/selinux/include/classmap.h
>> +++ b/security/selinux/include/classmap.h
>> @@ -127,8 +127,6 @@ const struct security_class_mapping secclass_map[] = {
>>         { "key",
>>           { "view", "read", "write", "search", "link", "setattr", "create",
>>             NULL } },
>> -       { "dccp_socket",
>> -         { COMMON_SOCK_PERMS, "node_bind", "name_connect", NULL } },
>>         { "memprotect", { "mmap_zero", NULL } },
>>         { "peer", { "recv", NULL } },
>>         { "capability2", { COMMON_CAP2_PERMS, NULL } },
>
> A quick question for the rest of the SELinux folks: the DCCP code is
> going away, so we won't be performing any of the access checks listed
> above, and there will be no way to get a "dccp_socket" object, but do
> we want to preserve the class/perms simply to quiet the warning when
> loading existing policies?

Isn't the kernel just warning about missing clssses/permissions? If policies still define dccp_socket I think the kernel treats it as user space class, like dbus.

> Personally I'm not too bothered by those warnings, I see them fairly
> regularly for a few classes/perms on my test systems, but thought it
> was worth having a quick discussion on this one since it is a bit
> different.
>
> --
> paul-moore.com


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-08  5:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-07 23:17 [PATCH v1 net-next 0/4] net: Retire DCCP Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-07 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 1/4] selftest: net: Remove DCCP bits Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-07 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 2/4] net: Retire DCCP Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-08  1:34   ` Paul Moore
2025-04-08  5:22     ` Christian Göttsche [this message]
2025-04-08  8:12       ` Paul Moore
2025-04-08 16:28       ` Casey Schaufler
2025-04-08 16:37   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2025-04-08 17:31     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-07 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 3/4] net: Unexport shared functions for DCCP Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-08 23:25   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 23:53     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-07 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 4/4] tcp: Rename tcp_or_dccp_get_hashinfo() Kuniyuki Iwashima

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