From: chris hyser <chris.hyser-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Will Drewry <wad-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel-FeC+5ew28dpmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org>,
Netdev <netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Linux Containers
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Alexei Starovoitov <ast-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
Sargun Dhillon <sargun-GaZTRHToo+CzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [net-next v3 0/2] eBPF seccomp filters
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:22:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cda8f13d-79b6-077a-2129-d2d52dc8efd1@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKnk90Yruhx_=t8yW2ziLaubqW80pxB95g5W_XnMuT1mA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 02/27/2018 02:19 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:59 AM, chris hyser <chris.hyser-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> I will try to find that discussion. As someone pointed out here though, eBPF
>
> A good starting point might be this:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/441232/
Thanks. A fair amount of reading referenced there :-). In particular I'll be curious to find out what happened to this idea:
"Essentially, that would make for three choices for each system call: enabled, disabled, or filtered."
Something like that might address some of the security concerns in that a simple go/no go on syscall number need not
incur the performance hit nor increased attack surface of running c/eBPF code, but it is there for argument checking,
etc if you need it. Basically instead of the kernel making the flexibility/performance/security trade-off in advance,
you leave it to user code/policy.
Anyway, lest it is not clear :-), I think your instincts on security and eBPF are dead on. At the same time it is
powerful and useful. So, how to make it optional?
-chrish
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-27 21:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-26 7:26 [net-next v3 0/2] eBPF seccomp filters Sargun Dhillon
[not found] ` <20180226072651.GA27045-du9IEJ8oIxHXYT48pCVpJ3c7ZZ+wIVaZYkHkVr5ML8kVGlcevz2xqA@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-26 23:04 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-26 23:20 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <CAGXu5jLdOcrn16q9pQ7JwTf88AVsL0o5LMJ=4P6vRN36u-_k_g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 1:01 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-27 3:46 ` Sargun Dhillon
[not found] ` <CAMp4zn9BAxv40q56PPsmvXcD000N4ZuAN3g=OF=od18_gT8UEQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 4:01 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-27 4:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXNODxWkcwF-LbXBn+Ju7QJEyi3JR+spsRX4ecg8d1iMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 4:38 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <CAGXu5j+64WzxjBnpQxYCU50ak+VqVw1y0W+MWygFodxsDqEZRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 4:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <A20EA7DD-94E9-488A-B9FF-D8E2C9F26611-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 23:10 ` Mickaël Salaün
[not found] ` <5323e010-09df-26d9-15f5-c723faa13224-WFhQfpSGs3bR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 23:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 14:53 ` chris hyser
[not found] ` <db759dd2-31dc-d094-251d-d4c1e8af8704-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 16:00 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <CAGXu5j+idW9AjZHVdeedqLOFXriObUJLvcw8-9k5WxyQF8EWrg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 16:59 ` chris hyser
[not found] ` <ddbefdda-f3b8-3956-fa0f-dcba8cf8e7d9-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 19:19 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <CAGXu5jKnk90Yruhx_=t8yW2ziLaubqW80pxB95g5W_XnMuT1mA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 21:22 ` chris hyser [this message]
2018-02-27 21:58 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <f712a383-8e84-da64-a454-51fdebf28741-FeC+5ew28dpmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 22:20 ` chris hyser
[not found] ` <7fc0fab8-c1bc-bc76-a892-b3faab7d16ad-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 23:55 ` chris hyser
[not found] ` <4fbef77e-92ad-b896-a259-492412ad4c55-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-28 19:56 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <19cd2e07-5702-1713-6903-e5667250b09d-FeC+5ew28dpmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-01 6:46 ` chris hyser
2018-03-01 17:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWugC-M-b2hhKu+Zq6W4w6vDn+bDCURLw48Loa+_SQaqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-01 21:51 ` Sargun Dhillon
[not found] ` <CAMp4zn9g06jTAAycw6hNXF+KsfOM2SXvr1aYywnXyXkEiSO0rA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-01 21:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVQ-V1b58aHxudQNTSn0J8yirsnUghyzjkP-M_Dqptqjg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-01 22:46 ` Sargun Dhillon
2018-03-01 21:54 ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-27 0:01 ` Sargun Dhillon
[not found] ` <CAMp4zn_Qe0aXhxNzpETBABAhKWF2WkZXnpzrJczbD=6k42OydA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-27 9:28 ` Daniel Borkmann
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