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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Philipp Hortmann" <philipp.g.hortmann@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Geoff Levand" <geoff@infradead.org>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Lobakin" <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Kalle Valo" <kvalo@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	"Claudiu Beznea" <claudiu.beznea@tuxon.dev>,
	"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	"Nicolas Ferre" <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Stanislaw Gruszka" <stf_xl@wp.pl>,
	"Gregory Greenman" <gregory.greenman@intel.com>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	"Stefan Lippers-Hollmann" <s.l-h@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: ethernet: toshiba: ps3_gelic_wireless: Remove driver using deprecated API wext
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 05:15:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cecd584c-46c0-4c0b-b3fb-b5cee4bbfd12@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8414fd0c552de87b3471468665f7fc540b9bfa69.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, at 13:44, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-01-03 at 07:44 +0100, Philipp Hortmann wrote:
>> 
>> One of my big fears is the hand over to the next generation maintainers 
>> and developers. The less code and the less exceptions due to old 
>> interfaces the easier it will be. We loose maintainers and developers 
>> for many reasons, like: retirement, burnout, embargos or simply because 
>> they are not paid and need to earn money. After giving some support on 
>> the staging subsystem I cannot see at all that we can attract so many 
>> talented people as required for a save future beyond 7 years...
>
> I wouldn't say that's necessarily a wrong sentiment, but I feel future
> maintainers can also make that decision, and if it's "years" in the
> future the relevance will only go down anyway.
>
> We just started putting some pressure into the system for removal of
> wext and nl80211 support (with WiFi7 devices no longer supporting wext)
> so chances are at least here the situation will change, and anyway wext
> stuff will become less relevant, perhaps to the point that other tools
> will drop support for it anyway. Not wpa_supplicant though, I suppose :)

I would assume that once removing CFG80211_WEXT becomes an option, we
can just put the remaining parts of net/wireless/wext-*.c into both
ps3_gelic and ipw2x00, duplicating and then simplifying the
implementation. As far as I can tell, there is very little that is
actually shared between the two anyway.

     Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-04  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-24  8:07 [PATCH] net: ethernet: toshiba: ps3_gelic_wireless: Remove driver using deprecated API wext Philipp Hortmann
2024-12-30  8:22 ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-03  6:44   ` Philipp Hortmann
2025-01-03  8:53     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-01-03  9:14       ` David Woodhouse
2025-01-03  9:25         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-01-03  9:32           ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-03 11:02       ` Philipp Hortmann
2025-01-03 11:16         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-01-03 11:28           ` Philipp Hortmann
2025-01-03 12:44     ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-04  4:15       ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2025-01-06  8:06         ` Johannes Berg

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