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From: "Jerry Chu" <hkchu@google.com>
To: "John Heffner" <johnwheffner@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "rick.jones2" <rick.jones2@hp.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: Socket buffer sizes with autotuning
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:49:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1c2719f0804241749p2c0dd7daofd343bc37a916247@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1e41a3230804240932u510609beh8fb577baaadeb9bd@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, John Heffner <johnwheffner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Jerry Chu <hkchu@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been seeing the same problem here and am trying to fix it.
> >  My fix is to not count those pkts still in the host queue as "prior_in_flight"
> >  when feeding the latter to tcp_cong_avoid(). This should cause
> >  tcp_is_cwnd_limited() test to fail when the previous in_flight build-up
> >  is all due to the large host queue, and stop the cwnd to grow beyond
> >  what's really necessary.
>
> Sounds like a useful optimization.  Do you have a patch?

Am working on one, but still need to completely rootcause the problem first,
and do a lot more testing. I, like Rick Jones, have for a while thought either
the autotuning, or the Congestion Window Validation (rfc2861) code should
dampen the cwnd growth so the bug must be there, until last week when I
decided to get to the bottom of this problem.

One question: I currently use skb_shinfo(skb)->dataref == 1 for skb's on the
sk_write_queue list as the heuristic to determine if a packet has hit the wire.
This seems a good solution for the normal cases without requiring changes
to the driver to notify TCP in the xmit completion path. But I can imagine there
may be cases where another below-IP consumer of skb, e.g., tcpdump, can
nullify the above heuristic. If the below IP consumer causes the skb ref count
to drop to 1 prematurally, well the inflated cwnd problem comes back but it's
no worse than before. What if the below IP skb reader causes the skb
ref count to remain > 1 while pkts have long hit the wire? This may cause the
fix to prevent cwnd from growing when needed, hence hurting performance.
Is there a better solution than checking against dataref to determine if a pkt
has hit the wire?

Also the code to determine when/how much to defer in the TSO path seems
too aggressive. It's currently based on a percentage
(sysctl_tcp_tso_win_divisor)
of min(snd_wnd, snd_cwnd). Would it be too much if the value is large? E.g.,
when I disable sysctl_tcp_tso_win_divisor, the cwnd of my simple netperf run
drops exactly 1/3 from 1037 (segments) to 695. It seems to me the TSO
defer factor should be based on an absolute count, e.g., 64KB.

Jerry

>
>  -John
>

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-25  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-23 23:29 Socket buffer sizes with autotuning Jerry Chu
2008-04-24 16:32 ` John Heffner
2008-04-25  0:49   ` Jerry Chu [this message]
2008-04-25  6:46     ` David Miller
2008-04-25 21:29       ` Jerry Chu
2008-04-25 21:35         ` David Miller
2008-04-28 18:30       ` Jerry Chu
2008-04-28 19:21         ` John Heffner
2008-04-28 20:44           ` Jerry Chu
2008-04-28 23:22             ` [PATCH 1/2] [NET]: Allow send-limited cwnd to grow up to max_burst when gso disabled John Heffner
2008-04-28 23:22               ` [PATCH 2/2] [NET]: Limit cwnd growth when deferring for GSO John Heffner
     [not found]           ` <d1c2719f0804281338j3984cf2bga31def0c2c1192a1@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-28 23:28             ` Socket buffer sizes with autotuning John Heffner
2008-04-28 23:35               ` David Miller
2008-04-29  2:20               ` Jerry Chu
2008-04-25  7:05 ` David Miller
2008-05-07  3:57   ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-07  4:27     ` David Miller
2008-05-07 18:36       ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-07 21:18         ` David Miller
2008-05-08  1:37           ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-08  1:43             ` David Miller
2008-05-08  3:33               ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-12 22:22                 ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-12 22:29                   ` David Miller
2008-05-12 22:31                     ` David Miller
2008-05-13  3:56                       ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-13  3:58                         ` David Miller
2008-05-13  4:00                           ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-13  4:02                             ` David Miller
2008-05-17  1:13                               ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-17  1:29                                 ` David Miller
2008-05-17  1:47                                   ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-12 22:58                     ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-12 23:01                       ` David Miller
2008-05-07  4:28     ` David Miller
2008-05-07 18:54       ` Jerry Chu
2008-05-07 21:20         ` David Miller
2008-05-08  0:16           ` Jerry Chu
     [not found] <d1c2719f0804241829s1bc3f41ejf7ebbff73ed96578@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-25  7:06 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25  7:28   ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:48     ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-23  0:38 Rick Jones
2008-04-23  2:17 ` John Heffner
2008-04-23  3:59   ` David Miller
2008-04-23 16:32     ` Rick Jones
2008-04-23 16:58       ` John Heffner
2008-04-23 17:24         ` Rick Jones
2008-04-23 17:41           ` John Heffner
2008-04-23 17:46             ` Rick Jones
2008-04-24 22:21     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-24 22:39       ` John Heffner
2008-04-25  1:28       ` David Miller
     [not found]       ` <65634d660804242234w66455bedve44801a98e3de9d9@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-25  6:36         ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:42           ` Tom Herbert
2008-04-25  7:46             ` David Miller
2008-04-28 17:51               ` Tom Herbert

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