From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, horms@verge.net.au,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rpjday@mindspring.com, ak@suse.de,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, cfriesen@nortel.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, jesper.juhl@gmail.com, zlynx@acm.org,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
davem@davemloft.net, wensong@linux-vs.org, wjiang@resilience.com,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:13:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2cd1065faf8a13040e8a2405c363aa1@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070815195915.GL9645@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>> Well if there is only one memory location involved, then smp_rmb()
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> going to really do anything anyway, so it would be incorrect to use
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> rmb() orders *any* two reads; that includes two reads from the same
>>>> location.
>>>
>>> If the two reads are to the same location, all CPUs I am aware of
>>> will maintain the ordering without need for a memory barrier.
>>
>> That's true of course, although there is no real guarantee for that.
>
> A CPU that did not provide this property ("cache coherence") would be
> most emphatically reviled.
That doesn't have anything to do with coherency as far as I can see.
It's just about the order in which a CPU (speculatively) performs the
loads
(which isn't necessarily the same as the order in which it executes the
corresponding instructions, even).
> So we are pretty safe assuming that CPUs
> will provide it.
Yeah, pretty safe. I just don't like undocumented assumptions :-)
Segher
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-15 20:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-09 13:41 [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv Chris Snook
2007-08-09 16:54 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10 9:23 ` David Howells
2007-08-10 19:54 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-11 0:54 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11 4:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-13 5:15 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-13 6:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14 5:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-14 7:26 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-14 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14 22:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 13:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-15 15:06 ` Michael Buesch
2007-08-15 13:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 20:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 1:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 2:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-11 8:47 ` David Howells
2007-08-13 6:44 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 5:42 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 18:51 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:46 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:13 ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2007-08-15 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:15 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 1:20 ` Nick Piggin
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