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From: andrew hendry <andrew.hendry@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Zhu, Yi" <yi.zhu@intel.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] x25: use limited socket backlog
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:44:49 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d45a3acc1003031444y43e0a862ta534b7c7ef4329e5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1267626781.2997.28.camel@edumazet-laptop>

Thinking like someone trying to break it, it may be possible for X25
to flood backlog.
With specific environments, enough circuits XoT/XoE may be able to.
Also tun + TUNSETLINK and some userspace code it might be possible. A
limit should be set just in case, and to cover X25 normal use it
doesn't need to be very big. 256 seems reasonable to start.
I'll look at setting up a fast virtual x.25 environment to test its
backlog behavior.

I think resolve issue for common protocols first, I don't know if
X25=m would be used widely.

Andrew.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le mercredi 03 mars 2010 à 22:00 +0800, Zhu, Yi a écrit :
>> andrew hendry <andrew.hendry@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Will wait for the next spin and in the meantime think if there is way
>> > to test it. x25 with no loopback and being so slow probably cant generate the same
>> > as your UDP case.
>>
>> I didn't find a way to drop the packet correctly. So I didn't change any behavior in
>> this patch. Nor did I do in the second spin. It will be fine if you also think x25 doesn't
>> need to limit its backlog size.
>
> So are we sure we cant flood X25 backlog, using X25 over IP ?
>
> You discovered a _fatal_ flaw in backlog processing, we should close all
> holes, not only UDP case. You can be sure many bad guys will inspect all
> possibilities to bring down Linux hosts.
>
> If you feel uncomfortable with a small limit, just stick a big one, like
> 256 packets, and you are 100% sure you wont break a protocol. If this
> limit happens to be too small, we can change it later.
>
> (No need to count bytes, since truesize includes kernel overhead, and
> this overhead depends on 32/64 wide of host and kernel versions)
>
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-03 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-03  6:35 [PATCH 1/8] net: add limit for socket backlog Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35 ` [PATCH 2/8] dccp: use limited " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35   ` [PATCH 3/8] tcp: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35     ` [PATCH 4/8] udp: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35       ` [PATCH 5/8] llc: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35         ` [PATCH 6/8] sctp: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35           ` [PATCH 7/8] tipc: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:35             ` [PATCH 8/8] x25: " Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  7:08               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03 11:38                 ` andrew hendry
2010-03-03 14:00                   ` Zhu, Yi
2010-03-03 14:33                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03 22:44                       ` andrew hendry [this message]
2010-03-03  6:56   ` [PATCH 2/8] dccp: " Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03  7:43     ` Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  6:54 ` [PATCH 1/8] net: add limit for " Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03  7:35   ` Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  8:02     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03  8:14       ` Zhu Yi
2010-03-03  8:47         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-03  8:59           ` Zhu Yi

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