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From: Tariq Toukan <ttoukan.linux@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Yael Chemla <ychemla@nvidia.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	shuah@kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>, Gal Pressman <gal@nvidia.com>,
	noren@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 1/2] selftests: drv-net: rss: validate min RSS table size
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 10:02:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d56f8f9a-7377-4892-8b29-d5be53eed08e@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260217135727.292acc4e@kernel.org>



On 17/02/2026 23:57, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:28:52 +0200 Tariq Toukan wrote:
>>>> This ignores multiple other considerations:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Existing behavior: In general, mlx5e today implies 2x factor, so it
>>>> would fail this new test.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Device resources: In large scale (high num of channels, or high num
>>>> of netdevs on the same chip, or both), it is not obvious that increasing
>>>> the indirection table size is still desirable, or even possible. To pass
>>>> the selftest, you'll have to limit the max number of channels.
>>>>
>>>> 3. ch_max should win: Related to point #2. Driver should not enforce
>>>> limitations on supported ch_max just to fulfill the recommendation and
>>>> pass the test. I prefer flexibility, give the admin the control. That
>>>> means, driver would use 4x factor (or larger) whenever possible, but
>>>> would not block configurations in which the 4x factor cannot be satisfied.
>>>
>>> Oh I see.. I wasn't aware the CX7 has a limitation of the indirection
>>> table size.
>>
>> There is a limitation, we read it from FW.
>> It's usually not small, much larger than 256.
>>
>> But currently it can vary according to FW decisions in scale (resource
>> management).
>>
>>> I wrote the test because of a similar limitation in a
>>> different NIC, but that one has been fixed.. I have limited access to
>>> CX7 NICs, the one I tested on maxed out at 63 queues so the test has
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> Is it not possible to create an indirection table larger than 256
>>> entries?
>>
>> It is possible, depending on the exposed FW capability.
>> As of today, there are high-scale configurations (many VFs for example)
>> where the FW exposed cap is lowered.
> 
> Not entirely sure what you expect the outcome of this discussion to be.
> 
> The 2x indirection table has been proven inadequate for real production
> use. I'm not talking about some theory or benchmarks, actual workloads
> reported machines/NICs with such table as unusable (workload starts
> choking way before reaching expected machine capacity).
> 
> That said I just checked out of curiosity and the OCP NIC spec also
> states:
> 
>    The minimum supported indirection table size MUST be 128.

That should be fine. Max table size cap is always >= 256.

> The minimum
>    SHOULD be at least 4 times the number of supported receive queues.
> 
> so I guess the 4x isn't exactly a new recommendation.

My position is as follows:
Provide the appropriate factor *if possible* (currently it is 2x, and we 
will likely increase it to 4x).
However, do not limit the maximum nch if the factor cannot be satisfied 
- even if that results in the selftest failing.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-18  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-31 22:54 [PATCH net-next v2 1/2] selftests: drv-net: rss: validate min RSS table size Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-31 22:54 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/2] docs: networking: mention that RSS table should be 4x the queue count Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-01  7:56   ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-03  1:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/2] selftests: drv-net: rss: validate min RSS table size patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2026-02-11 20:10 ` Yael Chemla
2026-02-11 21:43   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-12  9:41     ` Tariq Toukan
2026-02-13  1:22       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-16  8:28         ` Tariq Toukan
2026-02-17 21:57           ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-18  8:02             ` Tariq Toukan [this message]
2026-02-18 15:45               ` Jakub Kicinski

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