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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Herve Codina" <herve.codina@bootlin.com>,
	"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"Vladimir Oltean" <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>,
	"Köry Maincent" <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>,
	"Marek Behún" <kabel@kernel.org>,
	"Oleksij Rempel" <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>,
	"Nicolò Veronese" <nicveronese@gmail.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	mwojtas@chromium.org,
	"Romain Gantois" <romain.gantois@bootlin.com>,
	"Daniel Golle" <daniel@makrotopia.org>,
	"Dimitri Fedrau" <dimitri.fedrau@liebherr.com>,
	"Frank Wunderlich" <frank.wunderlich@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v10 6/9] net: phy: phy_port: Store information about a MII port's vacant state
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 15:12:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d7086094-9f8b-4d18-92ae-e278b4e67658@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c68f3abd-7a3d-4d37-9589-02433bbd5c5c@bootlin.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 09:22:29AM +0200, Maxime Chevallier wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On 5/14/26 15:58, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > > We have information about what MII they can handle, however we don't
> > > store anything about whether they are currently connected to an SFP
> > > module or not. As phy_port aims at listing the front-facing ports, let's
> > > store an "vacant" bit to know whether or not a MII port is currently
> > > vacant (i.e. there's no module in the SFP cage), or not (i.e.
> > > there's an SFP module).
> > 
> > vacant == False actually means a bit more than there is a module in
> > the cage. It also means that, so far, we have not had any errors
> > trying to use the module. If there is an error, we might have a module
> > physically in the cage, but vacant == True.
> 
> This is a good point. Even with an error, we should have vacant = false.
> 
> TBH I'm unsure how to name this, vacant may not be the best word there, but
> I'm struggling to find a better term.
> 
> maybe "empty" ?

My comment is really about, what do we mean by vacant/empty?

Is it simply about there physically being a module in the cage, or is
it also about being able to drive that module? If it is just about
there being a module in the cage, then vacant/empty is good. If we
also want to say that we have been able to read out the EEPROM and
determined the module will work in combination with the PCS and MAC,
then i would probably use a different name. "usable", "compatible"?

Either way, i think the code either needs simplifying, or made more
complex.

	Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-15 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-13 13:05 [PATCH net-next v10 0/9] net: phy_port: SFP modules representation and phy_port listing Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 1/9] net: phy: phy_link_topology: Add a helper for opportunistic alloc Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 2/9] net: phy: phy_link_topology: Track ports in phy_link_topology Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 3/9] net: phylink: Register a phy_port for MAC-driven SFP cages Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 13:43   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 4/9] net: phy: Create SFP phy_port before registering upstream Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 13:46   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 5/9] net: phy: Represent PHY-less SFP modules with phy_port Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 13:49   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 6/9] net: phy: phy_port: Store information about a MII port's vacant state Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 13:58   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-15  7:22     ` Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-15 13:12       ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2026-05-15 16:22         ` Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 7/9] net: phy: phy_link_topology: Add a helper to retrieve ports Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 13:59   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 8/9] netlink: specs: Add ethernet port listing with ethtool Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 14:05   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-13 13:05 ` [PATCH net-next v10 9/9] net: ethtool: Introduce ethtool command to list ports Maxime Chevallier
2026-05-14 14:07   ` Andrew Lunn

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