From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E82DC53361; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 21:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1711142292; cv=none; b=U/SCQWblQ1imGATMhLE29BEZmhCQTIcK7Ffeny15hhNK/iQdhUd7y9pew+30LD7FgigHyfa0vmUMiOR9iAMaqGSd4Z4+40x01zcwzqNN/zpMck3ai3q5rLulVwmPbfq3pZ2vHVcs9ajtHoD6RLNg+yRX6EOhS8eAYuREos1J7BY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1711142292; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kFZLK9T6F2BY5IXIbEnxbjCGdrCaNMrsl9MLKMql/Pg=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=tFBvw63Ux9gFd7sj1t16J3Z71g70oQl0Qny/PS7fd1LMMNfUw2qvDnoFy6QgUHkf4ICyrg1W3Sjdx8DhFVnUoZ4XOoje8cAo5sdxs8mBqJ991oaQbH41MJq5R4bufj0/e3kOGzspXV31ykTpjtjCHnknKhaV2T4K25t9ppRSTMg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=jrIh/bq3; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="jrIh/bq3" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E24A2C433F1; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 21:18:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1711142291; bh=kFZLK9T6F2BY5IXIbEnxbjCGdrCaNMrsl9MLKMql/Pg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=jrIh/bq3bsQCBPY2qcuv9fQA1zE7nXDJH5pfXFLXvYy2ozcqjNyItvc7mFOb8a3s+ KoRFKUrSjOwzzB91ZL/anhKPjhntxmGdmAxzaXiAXWZmLJORDBpbiZbmar5RXmEZB/ apMYPsfeCzUjYK+eHV/2qlGjgeLzW+MnKC4qsuVyzybYZPfbg+NsfGQNKh4hSJznBF gPgcb4xc5ngZbfm7qS3MQr2+pdGyFHp/B74K38+ZfpZzG1JoSXJIsYOh+A/tnQpiw6 vyydRh5p5wPVI4vNb2tt3SSSHdgjFXezAFUCcZEEI3A5zzI4XJfpRsVagsBdjYK+yA Pu4IOaDxyeWOg== Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:18:09 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Content-Language: en-US To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Jason Gunthorpe , Christoph Hellwig , Saeed Mahameed , Arnd Bergmann , Leon Romanovsky , Jiri Pirko , Leonid Bloch , Itay Avraham , Saeed Mahameed , Aron Silverton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , Andy Gospodarek References: <20240207072435.14182-1-saeed@kernel.org> <20240214175735.GG1088888@nvidia.com> <20240304160237.GA2909161@nvidia.com> <9cc7127f-8674-43bc-b4d7-b1c4c2d96fed@kernel.org> <2024032248-ardently-ribcage-a495@gregkh> <510c1b6b-1738-4baa-bdba-54d478633598@kernel.org> <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> From: David Ahern In-Reply-To: <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/22/24 2:58 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > The more I learn, the more I am convinced that the technical > justifications here are just smoke and mirrors. The main motivation for > nVidia, Broadcom, (and Enfabrica?) being to hide as much as possible of > what you consider your proprietary advantage in the "AI gold rush". RDMA > is what it is but I really hate how you're trying to pretend that it's > is somehow an inherent need of advanced technology and we need to lower > the openness standards for all of the kernel. Kuba: can you respond to Jason's email with the proposal for the new fwctl subsystem and identify places you do not agree? That would provide more concrete discussion points. Thanks,