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From: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
To: John Ousterhout <ouster@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com, horms@kernel.org,
	kuba@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 08/12] net: homa: create homa_incoming.c
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 10:17:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e7cdcca6-d0b2-4b59-a2ef-17834a8ffca3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXJAmxLqnjnWr8sjooJRRyQ2-5BqPCQL8gnn0gzYoZ0MMoBSw@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/31/25 11:35 PM, John Ousterhout wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 1:57 AM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 1/30/25 1:48 AM, John Ousterhout wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 2:19 AM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/15/25 7:59 PM, John Ousterhout wrote:
>>>>> +     /* Each iteration through the following loop processes one
>> packet. */
>>>>> +     for (; skb; skb = next) {
>>>>> +             h = (struct homa_data_hdr *)skb->data;
>>>>> +             next = skb->next;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +             /* Relinquish the RPC lock temporarily if it's needed
>>>>> +              * elsewhere.
>>>>> +              */
>>>>> +             if (rpc) {
>>>>> +                     int flags = atomic_read(&rpc->flags);
>>>>> +
>>>>> +                     if (flags & APP_NEEDS_LOCK) {
>>>>> +                             homa_rpc_unlock(rpc);
>>>>> +                             homa_spin(200);
>>>>
>>>> Why spinning on the current CPU here? This is completely unexpected, and
>>>> usually tolerated only to deal with H/W imposed delay while programming
>>>> some device registers.
>>>
>>> This is done to pass the RPC lock off to another thread (the
>>> application); the spin is there to allow the other thread to acquire
>>> the lock before this thread tries to acquire it again (almost
>>> immediately). There's no performance impact from the spin because this
>>> thread is going to turn around and try to acquire the RPC lock again
>>> (at which point it will spin until the other thread releases the
>>> lock). Thus it's either spin here or spin there. I've added a comment
>>> to explain this.
>>
>> What if another process is spinning on the RPC lock without setting
>> APP_NEEDS_LOCK? AFAICS incoming packets targeting the same RPC could
>> land on different RX queues.
>>
> 
> If that happens then it could grab the lock instead of the desired
> application, which would defeat the performance optimization and delay the
> application a bit. This would be no worse than if the APP_NEEDS_LOCK
> mechanism were not present.

Then I suggest using plain unlock/lock() with no additional spinning in
between.

/P


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-03  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-15 18:59 [PATCH net-next v6 00/12] Begin upstreaming Homa transport protocol John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 01/12] net: homa: define user-visible API for Homa John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 02/12] net: homa: create homa_wire.h John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 03/12] net: homa: create shared Homa header files John Ousterhout
2025-01-23 11:01   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-24 21:21     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-27  9:05       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-27 17:04         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 04/12] net: homa: create homa_pool.h and homa_pool.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-23 12:06   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-24 23:53     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-25  0:46       ` Andrew Lunn
2025-01-26  5:33         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-27  9:41       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-27 17:34         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-27 18:28           ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-27 19:12             ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-28  8:27               ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 05/12] net: homa: create homa_rpc.h and homa_rpc.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-23 14:29   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-27  5:22     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-27 10:01       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-27 18:03         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-28  8:19           ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-29  1:23             ` John Ousterhout
     [not found]               ` <13345e2a-849d-4bd8-a95e-9cd7f287c7df@redhat.com>
2025-01-29 16:43                 ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-29 16:49                   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-01-29 16:54                     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-29 17:04                       ` Eric Dumazet
2025-01-29 20:27                         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-29 20:40                           ` Eric Dumazet
2025-01-29 21:08                             ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 06/12] net: homa: create homa_peer.h and homa_peer.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-23 17:45   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-28  0:06     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-28  0:32       ` Jason Xing
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 07/12] net: homa: create homa_sock.h and homa_sock.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-23 19:01   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-28  0:40     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-28  4:26       ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-28 15:10       ` Eric Dumazet
2025-01-28 17:04         ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-24  7:33   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 08/12] net: homa: create homa_incoming.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-24  8:31   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-30  0:41     ` John Ousterhout
     [not found]       ` <991b5ad9-57cf-4e1d-8e01-9d0639fa4e49@redhat.com>
2025-01-31 22:48         ` John Ousterhout
2025-02-03  9:12           ` Paolo Abeni
2025-02-03 23:33             ` John Ousterhout
2025-02-04  8:50               ` Paolo Abeni
2025-02-04 16:30                 ` John Ousterhout
2025-02-04 19:41                   ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-04 21:20                     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-27 10:19   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-30  0:48     ` John Ousterhout
2025-01-30  9:57       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-01-31 22:51         ` John Ousterhout
     [not found]         ` <CAGXJAmxLqnjnWr8sjooJRRyQ2-5BqPCQL8gnn0gzYoZ0MMoBSw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-02-03  9:17           ` Paolo Abeni [this message]
2025-02-03 17:33             ` John Ousterhout
2025-02-03 17:58               ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-05 23:56                 ` John Ousterhout
2025-02-06  1:49                   ` Andrew Lunn
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 09/12] net: homa: create homa_outgoing.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 10/12] net: homa: create homa_timer.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 11/12] net: homa: create homa_plumbing.c and homa_utils.c John Ousterhout
2025-01-15 18:59 ` [PATCH net-next v6 12/12] net: homa: create Makefile and Kconfig John Ousterhout
2025-01-24  8:55 ` [PATCH net-next v6 00/12] Begin upstreaming Homa transport protocol Paolo Abeni
2025-02-10 19:19   ` John Ousterhout

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