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From: David Wei <dw@davidwei.uk>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mpatocka@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	msnitzer@redhat.com, ignat@cloudflare.com, damien.lemoal@wdc.com,
	bob.liu@oracle.com, houtao1@huawei.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, allen.lkml@gmail.com,
	kernel-team@meta.com, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	David Wei <davidhwei@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] net: tcp: tsq: Convert from tasklet to BH workqueue
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0c51f71-dae8-447f-bbdb-73d2ce607893@davidwei.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89iKDsJPY=QQrTHK0Jw=s=A_G_GzcOA0WsqXaytWAVV3R4Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 2024-02-16 01:23, Eric Dumazet wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 6:31 AM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 11:11:53PM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> The only generic interface to execute asynchronously in the BH context is
>>> tasklet; however, it's marked deprecated and has some design flaws. To
>>> replace tasklets, BH workqueue support was recently added. A BH workqueue
>>> behaves similarly to regular workqueues except that the queued work items
>>> are executed in the BH context.
>>>
>>> This patch converts TCP Small Queues implementation from tasklet to BH
>>> workqueue.
>>>
>>> Semantically, this is an equivalent conversion and there shouldn't be any
>>> user-visible behavior changes. While workqueue's queueing and execution
>>> paths are a bit heavier than tasklet's, unless the work item is being queued
>>> every packet, the difference hopefully shouldn't matter.
>>>
>>> My experience with the networking stack is very limited and this patch
>>> definitely needs attention from someone who actually understands networking.
>>
>> On Jakub's recommendation, I asked David Wei to perform production memcache
>> benchmark on the backported conversion patch. There was no discernible
>> difference before and after. Given that this is likely as hot as it gets for
>> the path on a real workloal, the conversions shouldn't hopefully be
>> noticeable in terms of performance impact.
>>
>> Jakub, I'd really appreciate if you could ack. David, would it be okay if I
>> add your Tested-by?

Yes, that's fine.

> 
> I presume memcache benchmark is using small RPC ?

It is not a benchmark but a prod shadow, but yes the requests are small.

> 
> TSQ matters for high BDP, and is very time sensitive.
> 
> Things like slow TX completions (firing from napi poll, BH context)
> can hurt TSQ.
> 
> If we add on top of these slow TX completions, an additional work
> queue overhead, I really am not sure...
> 
> I would recommend tests with pfifo_fast qdisc (not FQ which has a
> special override for TSQ limits)
> 
> Eventually we could add in TCP a measure of the time lost because of
> TSQ, regardless of the kick implementation (tasklet or workqueue).
> Measuring the delay between when a tcp socket got tcp_wfree approval
> to deliver more packets, and time it finally delivered these packets
> could be implemented with a bpftrace program.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-16 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-30  9:11 [PATCHSET wq/for-6.9] workqueue: Implement BH workqueue and convert several tasklet users Tejun Heo
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] workqueue: Update lock debugging code Tejun Heo
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 2/8] workqueue: Factor out init_cpu_worker_pool() Tejun Heo
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 3/8] workqueue: Implement BH workqueues to eventually replace tasklets Tejun Heo
2024-01-30 17:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-01 11:02   ` Lai Jiangshan
2024-02-01 21:47     ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-02  1:15   ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2024-02-04  2:20     ` Lai Jiangshan
2024-02-04 21:29   ` [PATCH v3 " Tejun Heo
2024-02-05  4:48     ` Hillf Danton
2024-02-05 17:47       ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-26  2:00     ` Boqun Feng
2024-02-26 18:47       ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-27  1:38       ` [PATCH for-6.9] workqueue: Drain BH work items on hot-unplugged CPUs Tejun Heo
2024-02-29 20:37         ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-29 21:07           ` Boqun Feng
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 4/8] backtracetest: Convert from tasklet to BH workqueue Tejun Heo
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 5/8] usb: core: hcd: " Tejun Heo
2024-01-30 16:38   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-02-20 17:25   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-02-20 17:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-20 18:19       ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-20 19:36       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 6/8] net: tcp: tsq: " Tejun Heo
2024-02-16  5:31   ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-16  8:23     ` Eric Dumazet
2024-02-16 15:52       ` David Wei [this message]
2024-02-16 16:24       ` Tejun Heo
2025-05-25  3:51   ` Jason Xing
2025-05-27 18:55     ` Tejun Heo
2025-05-27 23:43       ` Jason Xing
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 7/8] dm-crypt: " Tejun Heo
2024-01-30 10:46   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-30 15:53     ` Tejun Heo
2024-01-31 21:23   ` Mikulas Patocka
2024-01-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 8/8] dm-verity: " Tejun Heo
2024-01-31 21:19   ` Mikulas Patocka
2024-01-31 21:32     ` Tejun Heo
2024-01-31 22:02       ` Mikulas Patocka
2024-01-31 23:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-01  0:04         ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-01  0:19           ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-20 19:44             ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-20 20:05               ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-22 21:24                 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-02-23 17:22                   ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-01  0:07         ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-30  9:22 ` [PATCHSET wq/for-6.9] workqueue: Implement BH workqueue and convert several tasklet users Tejun Heo
2024-01-30 10:20 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-30 15:50   ` Tejun Heo
2024-01-30 23:37 ` Allen
2024-02-04 21:33 ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-05 20:50   ` Allen
2024-02-05 21:12     ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-05 21:31       ` Allen
2024-02-07 19:02         ` Allen
2024-02-08 16:56           ` Tejun Heo
2024-02-08 19:07             ` Allen

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