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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	Dai Ngo <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller"	 <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski	 <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman	 <horms@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>
Cc: Slawomir Stepien <sst@poczta.fm>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/14] SUNRPC: report local rpcbind calls that get no answer
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 08:05:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f298080d9c8690d0313a3ef16f2fff2f9576aae4.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c42d685f-18e7-4f38-8ce2-3d8e5402e9f1@app.fastmail.com>

On Sun, 2026-08-30 at 11:51 -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2026, at 12:37 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > A caller that creates many listeners in one operation calls svc_register()
> > once for each of them. Every call waits for the local rpcbind on its own,
> > so a rpcbind that never answers costs the caller one timeout per listener.
> > The caller has no way to learn that the first call already failed.
> > 
> > An rpcbind failure can occur one of two ways: either rpcbind fails to
> > respond, or it can respond with -EACCES to indicate that the user
> > doesn't own the current record.
> > 
> > Give the first case its own errno. rpcb_register_call() returns -ENAVAIL
> > when the call got no answer, and the existing -EACCES continues to mean a
> > FALSE reply.
> > 
> > svc_generic_rpcbind_set() has to let -ENAVAIL past vs_rpcb_optnl, since it
> > is not a refusal. svc_register() applies vs_rpcb_optnl to it instead, so a
> > v4-only server still creates its listeners, and then keeps a running total
> > in serv->sv_rpcb_failures. -ENAVAIL never escapes svc_register().
> > 
> > svc_rpcb_failure_count() reports the total. A caller reads the count
> > before it starts and compares as it goes to determine if there have been
> > errors.
> > 
> > The users of this infrastructure will be added in later patches.
> > 
> > Assisted-by: LLM
> > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
> 
> > diff --git a/net/sunrpc/rpcb_clnt.c b/net/sunrpc/rpcb_clnt.c
> > index 0aa376b82a52..c680137f0fca 100644
> > --- a/net/sunrpc/rpcb_clnt.c
> > +++ b/net/sunrpc/rpcb_clnt.c
> > @@ -412,7 +412,8 @@ static struct rpc_clnt *rpcb_create(struct net 
> > *net, const char *nodename,
> >  	return rpc_create(&args);
> >  }
> > 
> > -static int rpcb_register_call(struct sunrpc_net *sn, struct rpc_clnt 
> > *clnt, struct rpc_message *msg, bool is_set)
> > +static int rpcb_register_call(struct sunrpc_net *sn, struct rpc_clnt 
> > *clnt,
> > +			      struct rpc_message *msg, bool is_set)
> >  {
> >  	int flags = RPC_TASK_NOCONNECT;
> >  	int error, result = 0;
> > @@ -422,8 +423,10 @@ static int rpcb_register_call(struct sunrpc_net 
> > *sn, struct rpc_clnt *clnt, stru
> >  	msg->rpc_resp = &result;
> > 
> >  	error = rpc_call_sync(clnt, msg, flags);
> > -	if (error < 0)
> > +	if (error == -EPROTONOSUPPORT)
> >  		return error;
> > +	if (error < 0)
> > +		return -ENAVAIL;
> > 
> >  	if (!result)
> >  		return -EACCES;
> 
> If I'm reading this correctly, rpcb_register_call() classifies
> every failure except -EPROTONOSUPPORT as "no answer".
> 
> rpc_call_sync() returns negative errnos that are not "no answer":
> pre-dispatch local failures (-ENOMEM from rpc_new_task()), a fatal
> signal (-ERESTARTSYS), and reply-derived errors from
> rpc_verify_header(): -EPFNOSUPPORT, -EOPNOTSUPP, -EIO, -EACCES
> (auth error), -EKEYREJECTED. All of these show that rpcbind *did*
> answer.
> 
> Now they become -ENAVAIL, get counted in sv_rpcb_failures, are
> silently converted to success for a vs_rpcb_optnl version, and
> reach userspace as a synthesized -ETIMEDOUT for mandatory versions.
> 
> Consequences:
> 
> * The commit message says "-EACCES continues to mean a FALSE
>   reply," but the RPC layer's auth -EACCES is rewritten to
>   -ENAVAIL before the two can be told apart. Its "one of two
>   ways" failure taxonomy is not what the code implements.
> 
> * "rpcbind not running" (-ECONNREFUSED/-ENOENT) and every
>   other transport error reach nfsd's listener_set ack, the
>   svc_register/svc_unregister tracepoints, and the printk
>   as indistinguishable ETIMEDOUT/ENAVAIL, which IMO is an
>   observability regression.
> 
> * -ERESTARTSYS -> -ETIMEDOUT drops syscall-restart semantics
>   on a fatal signal during registration.
> 
> I'm probably missing something.
> 

Fair point. I've mostly been trying to classify errors as to whether
there is any point is attempting further registrations. For most of the
errors besides -EACCES (aka rpc_auth_error), there is no point.

That said, I've gone in an cleaned up the error handling here, so v4
should be a bit more explicit about how errors are handled.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-28 16:37 [PATCH v3 00/14] nfsd/sunrpc: harden the netlink listener set interface Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] NFSD: cap the number of listeners accepted in listener_set Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] NFSD: validate transport name in listener_set before serv creation Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] SUNRPC: keep the first error in svc_register() Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] SUNRPC: bound the local rpcbind client timeout to 1s Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] NFSD: report listener creation failures through extack Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] SUNRPC: report local rpcbind calls that get no answer Jeff Layton
2026-08-30 15:51   ` Chuck Lever
2026-08-31 12:05     ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] SUNRPC: stop svc_register() once rpcbind stops answering Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] SUNRPC: stop the svc_unregister() sweep " Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] SUNRPC: stop unregistering listeners " Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] NFSD: stop registering with rpcbind after a failure in listener_set Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] selftests/nfsd: exercise listener_set request validation Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] selftests/nfsd: add a per-netns rpcbind stub and the listener round-trips Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] selftests/nfsd: check that listener_set asks rpcbind once Jeff Layton
2026-08-28 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] selftests/nfsd: check that listener removal " Jeff Layton

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