From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Simon Schippers <simon@schippers-hamm.de>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 3/5] veth: implement Byte Queue Limits (BQL) for latency reduction
Date: Sat, 9 May 2026 11:09:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f459b95c-80d5-4e05-84b2-f574c92724de@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260508190626.4285fac0@kernel.org>
On 09/05/2026 04.06, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 7 May 2026 21:09:09 +0200 Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
>>>>> I still think first that adding an option to modify the hard-coded
>>>>> VETH_RING_SIZE is the way to go.
>>
>> Not against being able to modify VETH_RING_SIZE, but I don't think it is
>> the solution here.
>
> Was it evaluated, tho?
>
> It's obviously super easy these days have AI spew no end of complex
> code. So it'd be great to have some solid, ideally production-like
> data to back this all up.
>
> VETH_RING_SIZE seems trivial, ethtool set ringparam
No, unfortunately we cannot just decrease the VETH_RING_SIZE. The
reason is that XDP-redirect into veth don't have any back-pressure and
would simply drop packets if queue size becomes less than the NAPI
budget (64). (Yes, we use both normal path and XDP-redirect in
production). My benchmarking shows that an optimal BQL limit is
dynamically adjusted between 17-55 depending on veth consumer namespace
overhead/speed, when balancing throughput and latency.
--Jesper
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-09 9:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-05 13:21 [PATCH net-next v5 0/5] veth: add Byte Queue Limits (BQL) support hawk
2026-05-05 13:21 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/5] veth: fix OOB txq access in veth_poll() with asymmetric queue counts hawk
2026-05-07 14:25 ` Paolo Abeni
2026-05-05 13:21 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/5] net: add dev->bql flag to allow BQL sysfs for IFF_NO_QUEUE devices hawk
2026-05-05 13:21 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/5] veth: implement Byte Queue Limits (BQL) for latency reduction hawk
2026-05-07 6:54 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-07 13:21 ` Paolo Abeni
2026-05-07 14:34 ` Paolo Abeni
2026-05-07 14:46 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-07 19:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-05-07 20:12 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-07 20:45 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-05-08 8:01 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-08 9:20 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-09 2:06 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-09 9:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2026-05-10 15:56 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-11 8:11 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-05-11 9:55 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-11 18:08 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-05-11 20:37 ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-05 13:21 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/5] veth: add tx_timeout watchdog as BQL safety net hawk
2026-05-05 13:21 ` [PATCH net-next v5 5/5] net: sched: add timeout count to NETDEV WATCHDOG message hawk
2026-05-07 14:30 ` [PATCH net-next v5 0/5] veth: add Byte Queue Limits (BQL) support patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
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