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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>, "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca" <luizluca@gmail.com>,
	"Alvin Šipraga" <alsi@bang-olufsen.dk>,
	"Madhuri Sripada" <madhuri.sripada@microchip.com>,
	"Marcin Wojtas" <mw@semihalf.com>,
	"Linus Walleij" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	"Tobias Waldekranz" <tobias@waldekranz.com>,
	"Arun Ramadoss" <arun.ramadoss@microchip.com>,
	"Russell King (Oracle)" <rmk+kernel@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 3/4] docs: net: dsa: update user MDIO bus documentation
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 14:36:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4e08518-290d-492f-89ea-31fea9974abe@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231208193518.2018114-4-vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>

On 12/8/23 11:35, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> There are people who are trying to push the ds->user_mii_bus feature
> past its sell-by date. I think part of the problem is the fact that the
> documentation presents it as this great functionality.
> 
> Adapt it to 2023, where we have phy-handle to render it useless, at
> least with OF.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
> ---
>   Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst | 36 ++++++++++++++++++++++------
>   1 file changed, 29 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst b/Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst
> index 676c92136a0e..2cd91358421e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst
> @@ -397,19 +397,41 @@ perspective::
>   User MDIO bus
>   -------------
>   
> -In order to be able to read to/from a switch PHY built into it, DSA creates an
> -user MDIO bus which allows a specific switch driver to divert and intercept
> -MDIO reads/writes towards specific PHY addresses. In most MDIO-connected
> -switches, these functions would utilize direct or indirect PHY addressing mode
> -to return standard MII registers from the switch builtin PHYs, allowing the PHY
> -library and/or to return link status, link partner pages, auto-negotiation
> -results, etc.
> +The framework creates an MDIO bus for user ports (``ds->user_mii_bus``) when
> +both methods ``ds->ops->phy_read()`` and ``ds->ops->phy_write()`` are present.
> +However, this pointer may also be populated by the switch driver during the
> +``ds->ops->setup()`` method, with an MDIO bus managed by the driver.
> +
> +Its role is to permit user ports to connect to a PHY (usually internal) when
> +the more general ``phy-handle`` property is unavailable (either because the
> +MDIO bus is missing from the OF description, or because probing uses
> +``platform_data``).
> +
> +In most MDIO-connected switches, these functions would utilize direct or
> +indirect PHY addressing mode to return standard MII registers from the switch
> +builtin PHYs, allowing the PHY library and/or to return link status, link
> +partner pages, auto-negotiation results, etc.

The "and/or" did not read really well with the reset of the sentence, 
maybe just drop those two words?

>   
>   For Ethernet switches which have both external and internal MDIO buses, the
>   user MII bus can be utilized to mux/demux MDIO reads and writes towards either
>   internal or external MDIO devices this switch might be connected to: internal
>   PHYs, external PHYs, or even external switches.
>   
> +When using OF, the ``ds->user_mii_bus`` can be seen as a legacy feature, rather
> +than core functionality. Since 2014, the DSA OF bindings support the
> +``phy-handle`` property, which is a universal mechanism to reference a PHY,
> +be it internal or external.
> +
> +New switch drivers are encouraged to require the more universal ``phy-handle``
> +property even for user ports with internal PHYs. This allows device trees to
> +interoperate with simpler variants of the drivers such as those from U-Boot,
> +which do not have the (redundant) fallback logic for ``ds->user_mii_bus``.
> +
> +The only use case for ``ds->user_mii_bus`` in new drivers would be for probing
> +on non-OF through ``platform_data``. In the distant future where this will be
> +possible through software nodes, there will be no need for ``ds->user_mii_bus``
> +in new drivers at all.

That works for me, with the above addressed:

Reviewed-by: Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>
-- 
Florian


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-08 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-08 19:35 [PATCH net 0/4] Add some history to the DSA documentation Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 19:35 ` [PATCH net 1/4] docs: net: dsa: document the tagger-owned storage mechanism Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 22:15   ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-08 22:32   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-12-10 13:37   ` Alvin Šipraga
2023-12-08 19:35 ` [PATCH net 2/4] docs: net: dsa: update platform_data documentation Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 22:19   ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-09  0:52     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 22:33   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-12-10 13:37   ` Alvin Šipraga
2023-12-08 19:35 ` [PATCH net 3/4] docs: net: dsa: update user MDIO bus documentation Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 22:22   ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-08 22:36   ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2023-12-09  1:22     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-09 21:49       ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-10 13:48   ` Alvin Šipraga
2023-12-11 14:35     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-13  5:30       ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2023-12-13 12:06         ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 19:35 ` [PATCH net 4/4] docs: net: dsa: replace TODO section with info about history and devel ideas Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 22:40   ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-08 23:03   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-12-09  1:58     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-11 17:29       ` Florian Fainelli

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