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From: Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>
To: Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>
Cc: "James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>,
	"Oliver Hartkopp" <socketcan@hartkopp.net>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	"Bryan Donlan" <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Bernie Innocenti" <bernie@codewiz.org>,
	"Mark Seaborn" <mrs@mythic-beasts.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"Samir Bellabes" <sam@synack.fr>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:18:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f73f7ab81001101418x3b3f8652j256f6311ad6244c5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100110215409.GA3705@heat>

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 16:54, Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Pavel Machek wrote:
>> > > For the record: NAK, as it introduces security holes.
>>
>> Please elaborate.
>
> Pavel's position is that disablenetwork is likely to permit some attacker
> somewhere to deny network access to some setuid app some day in a way that
> violates some security policy.
>
> He has mentioned specific concern over scenarios like:
>
>  Alice configures PAM auth to 'fail open' by checking login credentials
>  against a restrictive LDAP server and, if the server is unavailable,
> against
>  a very permissive files database.
>
>  Alice updates her kernel to a version with disablenetwork.
>
>  Mallory calls disablenetwork, calls su -, and vanquishes all.

No, there is a *MUCH* bigger security issue here.  There are existing
PAM modules which lazily fork background processes to handle
authentication, authorization, logging, etc.  Now assume that one of
those PAM modules is hooked from /etc/pam.d/su.

(1) Mallory runs "disablenetwork su -"
(2) The PAM module lazily starts its background daemon with a
10-minute idle timeout.
(3) The daemon has network disabled, and so it is completely nonfunctional.
(4) The daemon automatically denies all logins because it cannot
communicate with the login server
(5) Alice tries to run "su -" from her regular terminal.
(6) Alice's "su" process communicates with the running daemon and
fails because "the network is down".

All of that software is perfectly reasonably designed... the daemon is
even fail-secure in the event that the network really is inaccessible.
 Unfortunately it lets Mallory easily DoS every superuser login on the
system without generating a single audit log.  The only process that
knows what he did is the one that cannot communicate with the remote
audit daemon.

Moreover, that DoS would continue until the 10-minute idle timeout
actually expired.  As Alice keeps trying to log in, it will keep
automatically extending the daemon's lifetime.

Now, you can try to claim "Nobody has it configured like that" or
"None of the standard Linux PAM modules do that"... but that does not
resolve the problem.  A sysadmin and part-time programmer (not knowing
about a little-documented "disablenetwork" feature) could very easily
write software like that and assume that it is secure.

The #1 rule for setuid binaries is that you DO NOT INHERIT ANYTHING.
Any kernel feature or setuid program which violates that rule is just
going to cause big security holes.  Security models must be either
obviously correct or mathematically provable (or both)... and this is
neither.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-10 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-27  1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  3:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  1:21       ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  7:53   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29  1:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09       ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11       ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44           ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54         ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58           ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11  1:07               ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11  1:45                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12  6:10                     ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14  9:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36                             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:10                                     ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17  2:58                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                                           ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17  4:58                                             ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17  6:01                                       ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
     [not found]                                         ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-11  1:46                 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12  3:19                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  4:01                     ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12  2:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  7:59               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14  9:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-18 12:54                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56                       ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18           ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2010-01-10 23:08             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41               ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11  1:50                 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11  2:15                   ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:58           ` James Morris
2009-12-27  1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:39   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27  8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27  8:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49     ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18       ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47         ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08         ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28  6:07           ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29  6:08                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31               ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 18:13           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  5:01             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31                 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01                       ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10                     ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  4:29                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:35                               ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:54                                 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30  4:33                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  4:57                                     ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49                                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15                                                 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  2:44                                                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33                                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20                                                               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35                                                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18                                                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02  0:42                                                                           ` Peter Dolding
     [not found]                                                                             ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03  1:43                                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46                                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17                                                                   ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57                                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  8:57                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00                                                         ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08                                                           ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06                                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01  0:12                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29                                         ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03                   ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-01 15:11               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27  8:51   ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55   ` Michael Stone

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