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From: Konstantin Sinyuk <ksinyuk@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Francois Dugast <francois.dugast@intel.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
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	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Ilia Levi <ilia.levi@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 14:45:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fabric-jiri-reply.1788176464.ksinyuk@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apAsfOowcG0cTvT8@FV6GYCPJ69>

On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 02:35:16PM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Using generic netlink instead of sysfs for this makes a lot of sense,
> but it may be a bit odd to use it outside the networking area.
> I've been struggling with the same in another non-networking use-case
> as well.

Agreed, and the series shows the friction. The namespace handling is
nominal, and CAP_NET_ADMIN as the mutation gate is another borrowed
part of the model. I went into that in more detail in the reply to
Jason.

> - One character device per registered instance, not one global family.
>   Access control is the file: udev rules, ACLs, an fd passed into
>   a container.

The fd-based access and event model addresses real problems with one
global family and one multicast group.

The main question is what the CTLV instance would represent. A fabric
can span multiple devices and has its own lifetime. An endpoint can also
be detached from a fabric with fabric-id 0 and continue to exist. A
character device per accelerator would not provide the same global view
as the current family.

Can a CTLV instance represent a multi-device fabric or the global
fabric registry rather than one physical device?

> Would this make sense to use for you?

In principle, yes. I cannot base this series on an out-of-tree pre-RFC,
but the fabric, endpoint, port and peer model is separate from the
current serialization.

Changing transports would be more than regeneration, so I will read the
draft before saying more.

Thanks,
Konstantin

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-24  8:09 [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] drm/fabric: add core object model and provider API Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] drm/fabric: add query uAPI and generated headers Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] drm/fabric: implement query netlink operations Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] drm/fabric: add read-only synthetic provider Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] drm/fabric: add object-model KUnit tests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] drm/fabric: add YNL query and policy selftests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] drm/fabric: add topology-provisioning core Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] drm/fabric: add provisioning netlink uAPI Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] drm/fabric: implement mutation netlink operations Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] drm/fabric: make the synthetic provider writable Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] drm/fabric: add mutation KUnit tests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24  8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] drm/fabric: add mutation netlink selftests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-26  9:32 ` [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-26 15:38   ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-27 17:09     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-28 16:13       ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-09-01 11:01         ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-01 15:25           ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-09-02  7:10             ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-31 11:45       ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-27 12:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-08-28 16:28   ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-08-28 17:03     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-31 11:45       ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-31 12:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-31 11:45   ` Konstantin Sinyuk [this message]

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