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From: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
To: John Ousterhout <ouster@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v15 03/15] net: homa: create shared Homa header files
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2025 09:53:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fd3b25a3-018b-4732-af42-289b3c7c4817@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXJAmzpibzh+4FvM4mcvkXeT8f0AhMK00eqie7J8NEU9Z9xWg@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/29/25 5:03 AM, John Ousterhout wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 12:21 AM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> The TSC raw value depends on the current CPU.
> 
> This is incorrect. There were problems in the first multi-core Intel
> chips in the early 2000s, but they were fixed before I began using TSC
> in 2010. The TSC counter is synchronized across cores and increments
> at a constant rate independent of core frequency and power state.

Please read:

https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.17-rc3/source/arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h#L14

> You didn't answer my question about which time source I should use,
> but after poking around a bit it looks like ktime_get_ns is the best
> option?

yes, ktime_get_ns()

> I have measured Homa performance using ktime_get_ns, and
> this adds about .04 core to Homa's total core utilization when driving
> a 25 Gbps link at 80% utilization bidirectional. 

What is that 0.04? A percent? of total CPU time? of CPU time used by
Homa? absolute time?

If that is percent of total CPU time for a single core, such value is
inconsistent with my benchmarking where a couple of timestamp() reads
per aggregate packet are well below noise level.

> I expect the overhead
> to scale with network bandwidth, 

Actually it could not if the protocol does proper aggregation.

> so I would expect the overhead to be
> 0.16 core at 100 Gbps. I consider this overhead to be significant, but
> I have modified homa_clock to use ktime_get_ns in the upstreamed
> version.

My not so wild guess is that other bottlenecks will hit much more, much
earlier.

/P


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-29  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-18 20:55 [PATCH net-next v15 00/15] Begin upstreaming Homa transport protocol John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 01/15] net: homa: define user-visible API for Homa John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 02/15] net: homa: create homa_wire.h John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 03/15] net: homa: create shared Homa header files John Ousterhout
2025-08-26  9:05   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-08-26 23:10     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-27  7:21       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-08-29  3:03         ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-29  7:53           ` Paolo Abeni [this message]
2025-08-29 17:08             ` John Ousterhout
2025-09-01  7:59               ` Paolo Abeni
2025-08-27 12:16       ` Eric Dumazet
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 04/15] net: homa: create homa_pool.h and homa_pool.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 05/15] net: homa: create homa_peer.h and homa_peer.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26  9:32   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-08-27 23:27     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 06/15] net: homa: create homa_sock.h and homa_sock.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 10:10   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-08-31 23:29     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 07/15] net: homa: create homa_interest.h and homa_interest.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 08/15] net: homa: create homa_pacer.h and homa_pacer.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 10:53   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 16:35     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 09/15] net: homa: create homa_rpc.h and homa_rpc.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 11:31   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 20:10     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 10/15] net: homa: create homa_outgoing.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 11:50   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 20:21     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 11/15] net: homa: create homa_utils.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 11:52   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 20:30     ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 12/15] net: homa: create homa_incoming.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 12:05   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 22:12     ` John Ousterhout
2025-09-02  7:19   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 13/15] net: homa: create homa_timer.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 14/15] net: homa: create homa_plumbing.c John Ousterhout
2025-08-26 16:17   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-01 22:53     ` John Ousterhout
2025-09-01 23:03       ` Andrew Lunn
2025-09-02  4:54         ` John Ousterhout
2025-09-02  8:12       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-02 23:15         ` John Ousterhout
2025-08-18 20:55 ` [PATCH net-next v15 15/15] net: homa: create Makefile and Kconfig John Ousterhout
2025-08-23  5:36   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-22 15:51 ` [PATCH net-next v15 00/15] Begin upstreaming Homa transport protocol John Ousterhout

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