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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Zhiping Zhang <zhipingz@meta.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Yochai Cohen <yochai@nvidia.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/4] vfio/dma-buf: add TPH support for peer-to-peer access
Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 14:23:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff247643-73e7-44e2-b3d5-8ac0a8efb871@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260527121438.GJ2487554@ziepe.ca>

On 5/27/26 14:14, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2026 at 08:55:49AM +0200, Christian König wrote:
>> On 5/26/26 16:43, Zhiping Zhang wrote:
>>> This series adds TLP Processing Hints (TPH) support to the VFIO dma-buf
>>> export path, allowing importing drivers (e.g. mlx5) to use the
>>> exporter's steering tag when performing peer-to-peer DMA into a
>>> VFIO-owned device.
>>
>> I'm not an expert for TPH, but that sounds very strange to me.
>>
>> As far as I know the TLP Processing Hints allow devices to give a
>> steering tag to the root complex together with memory accesses to
>> give fine grained control about cache usage. In other words it is an
>> extension to the classic snoop bit.
> 
> TPHS includes an bit of data on every TLP and the data transits to the
> eventual completer.
> 
> It does not have to be a root port.
>  
>> For P2P that is obviously nonsense because we don't have P2P support
>> for cached accesses.
> 
> For P2P the TPH data on the TLP will transit to the P2P completer
> unchanged.
> 
> It is up to the completer do define what it does with the TPH data.
> 
> Typically root ports in CPUs will use TPH data for cache placement
> instructions. But who knows what a P2P device will use it for.
> 
> In Linux the driver that owns the completing address space gets to
> specify how the TPH data works based on its own device specific
> knowledge.

Yeah that's a good point, I should probably rephrase the question.

I'm aware of how TPH works by adding the extra ST to the TLP.

But my question is how is that useful to a PCIe endpoint? What is the effect of the ST here?

I only know about the caching use case for the root complex and that's clearly not the case here.

Regards,
Christian.


> 
> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-27 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260526144401.1485788-1-zhipingz@meta.com>
2026-05-27  6:55 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] vfio/dma-buf: add TPH support for peer-to-peer access Christian König
2026-05-27 12:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-27 12:23     ` Christian König [this message]
2026-05-27 12:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-27 12:53         ` Christian König
     [not found] ` <20260526144401.1485788-3-zhipingz@meta.com>
2026-05-27  6:57   ` [PATCH v5 2/4] dma-buf: add optional get_tph() callback Christian König
2026-05-27 17:03   ` Alex Williamson
     [not found] ` <20260526144401.1485788-4-zhipingz@meta.com>
2026-05-27 18:06   ` [PATCH v5 3/4] vfio/pci: implement get_tph and DMA_BUF_TPH feature Alex Williamson
     [not found] ` <20260526144401.1485788-5-zhipingz@meta.com>
2026-05-27 19:00   ` [PATCH v5 4/4] RDMA/mlx5: get tph for p2p access when registering dma-buf mr Alex Williamson
2026-05-27 22:55   ` Michael Gur
     [not found] ` <20260526144401.1485788-2-zhipingz@meta.com>
2026-05-27 20:53   ` [PATCH v5 1/4] PCI/TPH: expose the enabled TPH requester type Alex Williamson

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