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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>
Cc: nicolas.dichtel@dev.6wind.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netns: remove useless synchronize_net()
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:03:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1iqngh8yo.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4992F372.4020206@free.fr> (Daniel Lezcano's message of "Wed\, 11 Feb 2009 16\:49\:06 +0100")

Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr> writes:
>>   
>>> Hmm, at the first glance I would say it is useless but perhaps there is a
> trick
>>> here I do not understand.
>>> Eric, is there any particular reason to call synchronize_net before exiting
> the
>>> dev_change_net_namespace function ?
>>>     
>>
>> I haven't thought about that part of the code path in detail in a long
>> time.  dev_change_net_namespace() is a condensed version of
>> register_netdevice() unregister_netdevice().  With the calls down into
>> the driver removed.
>>
>> On a side note.  It looks like we now cope with:
>> call_netdevice_notifiers(NETDEV_REGISTER, dev); failing in
>> register_netdev, but no one updated dev_change_net_namespace to handle
>> the change, looks like a real pain to cope with.
>>
>> As for the synchronize_net, and in response to the original
>> comment as best as I can tell we do have things being being
>> deleted that are at least candidates for synchronize_net.
>>
>> dev_addr_discard(dev);
>> dev_net_set(dev, net);
>> netdev_unregister_kobject(dev);
>>
>> We very much do access dev->net with only rcu protection.
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>> It looks like I originally took the second synchronize_net from what
>> became rollback_registered, which happens just before we start freeing
>> the netdevice.
>>
>> The nastiest case that I can envision is if we happen to receive a
>> packet (on another cpu) for the network device that we are moving,
>> just after it has registered in the new network namespace.  If we read
>> the old network namespace and forward it up the network stack in that
>> context I can imagine it being a recipe for all kinds of strange
>> non-deterministic behavior.
>>   
>
> The code does:
>
>    dev_close
>       dev_deactive
>          synchronize_rcu
>    synchronize_net
>    ...
>    dev_shutdown
>    ...
>    synchronize_net
>
> The network device can no longer receive packets after dev_deactive, no ?
> The first synchronize_net will wait for the outstanding packets to be delivered
> to the upper layer and we change the nd_net field after.
> Your scenario makes sense for the first synchronize_net but I am not sure that
> can happen if we remove the second synchronize_net.

Good point.  Visibility is key.  What can find us after we
call list_netdevice() ?  Aren't there some pieces of code that
do for_each_netdevice under the rcu lock?

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-11 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-05 10:21 [PATCH] netns: remove useless synchronize_net() Nicolas Dichtel
2009-02-06  7:45 ` David Miller
2009-02-06 13:50   ` Nicolas Dichtel
2009-02-06 22:10     ` David Miller
2009-02-10 15:40       ` Nicolas Dichtel
2009-02-10 16:40         ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-02-10 16:48           ` Nicolas Dichtel
2009-02-10 17:13             ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-02-11  7:51               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-02-11 15:49                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-02-11 23:03                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-02-12 15:11                     ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                       ` <49943C17.5080509-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-15 16:13                         ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                           ` <49983F0D.2090905-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 13:46                             ` Nicolas Dichtel

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