From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Dmitry Yusupov <dmitry_yus@yahoo.com>,
mpm@selenic.com, andrea@suse.de, michaelc@cs.wisc.edu,
open-iscsi@googlegroups.com,
James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
ksummit-2005-discuss@thunk.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:12:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1zmwn21hk.fsf@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0503272245350.30885@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com> (Rik van Riel's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:54:11 -0500 (EST)")
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> writes:
> one for sending and one for receiving
> 2) have a global emergency mempool available to receive network
> packets when GFP_ATOMIC fails - this is useful since we don't
> know who a packet is for when we get the NIC interrupt, and
> it's easy to have just one pool to check
This does not work because mempools assume you can sleep,
and in most NIC drivers you cant while doing RX refill.
The NIC drivers can be rewritten to do this refilling in
a workqueue. But it is not clear it is useful anyways because
Linux failing to allocate a buffer is no different from
the network overflowing the hardware queue of the network
device, which Linux cannot do anything about.
Basically a network consists of lots of interconnected
queues, and even if you try to make the Linux specific
side of the queue reliable there are lots of other queues
that can still lose packets.
With TCP that is no problem of course because in case of
a packet loss the packet is just retransmitted.
So in short using mempools on receiving is not needed.
Now memory allocation for writing is a different chapter.
You cannot recover from a lost writing.
The kernel currently goes even in endless loops in this
case (e.g. on TCP FIN allocation)
With the exception of routing the allocation fortunately
usually happens there in:
- socket context: great you can use a per socket mempool
- thread context: you can sleep
With routing that is not the case, but it does not matter
because it typically does not allocate new packets, but
just sends out existing ones.
In short you need mempool only for TX. With some luck you even only
need them for the skbuff head and a small header buffer, since I would
expect iscsi TX to be typically zero copy for data and just passing
struct page *s around.
-Andi
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2005-03-27 5:48 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 6:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27 6:38 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 14:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27 6:33 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 6:46 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 7:05 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 7:57 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 8:18 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:26 ` Mike Christie
2005-03-27 18:31 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 19:58 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 21:49 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:47 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 21:14 ` Alex Aizman
[not found] ` <20050327211506.85EDA16022F6@mx1.suse.de>
2005-03-28 0:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28 3:54 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28 4:34 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-28 4:50 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28 6:58 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-28 16:12 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2005-03-28 16:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28 16:24 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 15:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:29 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 17:03 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-28 16:28 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 15:20 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:56 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 17:19 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-29 21:08 ` jamal
2005-03-29 22:00 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 22:17 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-29 23:30 ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:00 ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:25 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30 0:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 15:24 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 22:03 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29 23:13 ` jamal
2005-03-30 2:28 ` Alex Aizman
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2005-03-30 17:16 ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30 18:46 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 15:22 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:38 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 15:39 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:50 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 16:04 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-30 17:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 16:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 16:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 16:55 ` jamal
2005-03-30 18:42 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:28 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 11:41 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 12:12 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 18:59 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:04 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 15:35 ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-31 19:15 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 19:34 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:39 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 11:45 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 11:50 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 17:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-31 22:05 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 17:24 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30 17:39 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 20:10 ` Mike Christie
2005-03-30 17:07 ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30 5:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-28 16:37 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-28 19:45 ` Roland Dreier
2005-03-28 20:32 ` Topic: Remote DMA network technologies Gerrit Huizenga
2005-03-28 20:36 ` Roland Dreier
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2005-03-28 22:32 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-29 3:19 ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
2005-03-30 16:00 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-31 1:08 ` Linux support for RDMA H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-02 18:08 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Dmitry Yusupov
2005-04-02 19:13 ` Ming Zhang
2005-04-04 6:31 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-04 18:57 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29 3:14 ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
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2005-03-27 21:18 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Alex Aizman
2005-03-27 21:53 Alex Aizman
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