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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net,  netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	 edumazet@google.com,  pabeni@redhat.com,  andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
	 horms@kernel.org,  shuah@kernel.org,  sdf@fomichev.me,
	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/2] selftests: drv-net: gro: run the test against HW GRO and LRO
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2025 16:50:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <willemdebruijn.kernel.18907bed3c8c6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251201115041.5aa4c986@kernel.org>

Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 09:56:24 -0500 Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 15:42:40 -0500 Willem de Bruijn wrote:  
> > > > So GRO off disables HW_GRO, but not LRO? That difference is behavior
> > > > is confusing. Could we still see this as a regression and make the
> > > > ethtool HW_GRO feature equally independent from SW_GRO?  
> > > 
> > > I couldn't convince myself that it's justified. Of course it would have
> > > made testing a lot easier. But apart from that - what's your reading of
> > > the status quo? Working backwards from were we ended up (and I
> > > haven't dug into the git history) I'm guessing that LRO disable is used
> > > to prevent changing geometry of the packets. GRO would presumably be
> > > disabled when user knows that it will be ineffective, to save the cost.
> > > Or when some portion of the stack (XDP?) can't deal with super frames.
> > > 
> > > If those are the reasons, practically, I don't see why user would want
> > > HW GRO without SW. Ever since we allowed SW GRO to re-GRO HW GRO'ed
> > > frames it's always better to leave SW enabled. HW leaves a lot of
> > > aggregation opportunities on the table.
> > > 
> > > I concluded that changing the current behavior would not help any real
> > > life scenario, just testing. LMK if you see one or the inconsistency
> > > is a big enough reason.  
> > 
> > I think that's fair.
> > 
> > But from reading the code I don't see how disabling NETIF_F_GRO also
> > disables NETIF_F_GRO_HW. And indeed I just tested on one (admittedly
> > not latest upstream) IDPF driver and it does not.
> 
> Looks like you're right. Broadcom drivers where GRO_HW originates do it
> locally, so does qede. I guess somewhere along the way drives started
> treating GRO_HW as a separate feature rather than a GRO offload. 
> 
> I don't think it changes the reasoning in any major way? 

Agreed. If respinning, maybe change the wording a bit:

+        # a dummy XDP generic program. Disabling SW GRO as a feature
-+        # would also disable HW GRO.
++	  # may also disable HW GRO on some devices.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-01 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-28  0:52 [PATCH net-next 1/2] selftests: drv-net: gro: improve feature config Jakub Kicinski
2025-11-28  0:52 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] selftests: drv-net: gro: run the test against HW GRO and LRO Jakub Kicinski
2025-11-28 20:42   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-11-30  1:38     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-11-30 14:56       ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-12-01 19:50         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-12-01 21:50           ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2025-11-28 20:44 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] selftests: drv-net: gro: improve feature config Willem de Bruijn
2025-11-30  1:13   ` Jakub Kicinski

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