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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Justin Iurman <justin.iurman@gmail.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	 Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	 davem@davemloft.net,  kuba@kernel.org,  netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 6/7] ipv6: Enforce Extension Header ordering
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 14:05:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <willemdebruijn.kernel.8e46b721f5ed@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31232399-4cf4-49ea-b769-84aceca61dc9@gmail.com>

Justin Iurman wrote:
> On 1/29/26 06:18, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > Tom Herbert wrote:
> >> RFC8200 highly recommends that different Extension Headers be send in
> >> a prescibed order and all Extension Header types occur at most once
> >> in a packet with the exception of Destination Options that may
> >> occur twice. This patch enforces the ordering be folowed in received
> >> packets.
> >>
> >> The allowed order of Extension Headers is:
> >>
> >>      IPv6 header
> >>      Hop-by-Hop Options header
> >>      Destination Options before the Routing Header
> >>      Routing header
> >>      Fragment header
> >>      Authentication header
> >>      Encapsulating Security Payload header
> >>      Destination Options header
> >>      Upper-Layer header
> >>
> >> Each Extension Header may be present only once in a packet.
> >>
> >> net.ipv6.enforce_ext_hdr_order is a sysctl to enable or disable
> >> enforcement of xtension Header order. If it is set to zero then
> > 
> > [e]xtension. There are a few more typos in the various commit
> > messages.
> > 
> >> Extension Header order and number of occurences is not checked
> >> in receive processeing (except for Hop-by-Hop Options that
> >> must be the first Extension Header and can only occur once in
> >> a packet.
> > 
> > RFC 8200 also states
> > 
> >     "IPv6 nodes must accept and attempt to process extension headers in
> >     any order and occurring any number of times in the same packet,
> >     except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header, which is restricted to
> >     appear immediately after an IPv6 header only. Nonetheless, it is
> >     strongly advised that sources of IPv6 packets adhere to the above
> >     recommended order until and unless subsequent specifications revise
> >     that recommendation."
> > 
> > A case of be strict in what you send, liberal in what you accept.
> > 
> > This new sysctl has a chance of breaking existing users.
> 
> Willem,
> 
> Note that RFC8200 does not use normative language, which is part of the 
> problem. It could theoretically break existing users, but I don't think 
> it will in reality. For that, you would need users to beginning with 
> (joke aside, I like EHs). Anyway, if the order is enforced at sending, 
> why would any receiver accept a different order? In this case, being 
> liberal in what we accept might be a security risk (see below).
> 
> > The series as a whole is framed as a security improvement. Does
> > enforcing order help with that?
> 
> IMHO, any packet with EHs in a different order than the one specified in 
> RFC8200 looks suspicious. So, yes.

Looks suspicious. But does not introduce concrete new risks?

The main risk I understand around IPv6 extension headers is the risk
common to all untrusted network input: bugs in parsing code. Bugs can
cause crashes, infinite loops, or worse subtle effects. This is why we
introduced the BPF flow dissector, for instance.

I don't immediately see how different order of headers increases
parsing risk. Nor, btw, that reducing max number of headers from 8 to
2 significantly mitigates a real risk.

No objections necessarily. But I don't fully understand the argument.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-29 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-26 19:48 [PATCH net-next v5 0/7] ipv6: Address ext hdr DoS vulnerabilities Tom Herbert
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/7] ipv6: Check of max HBH or DestOp sysctl is zero and drop if it is Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 17:49   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-27 17:50   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/7] ipv6: Cleanup IPv6 TLV definitions Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 17:51   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-29  5:30   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-01-29 18:13     ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-29 19:01       ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-01-30 17:22       ` Tom Herbert
2026-02-01  8:48         ` Justin Iurman
2026-02-02 22:37           ` Tom Herbert
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/7] ipv6: Add case for IPV6_TLV_TNL_ENCAP_LIMIT in EH TLV switch Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 17:52   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-29  5:31   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/7] ipv6: Set HBH and DestOpt limits to 2 Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 17:55   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 5/7] ipv6: Document defaults for max_{dst|hbh}_opts_number sysctls Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 17:57   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 6/7] ipv6: Enforce Extension Header ordering Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 19:48   ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-29  5:18   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-01-29 18:07     ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-29 19:05       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2026-01-29 20:13         ` Justin Iurman
2026-01-30 17:06         ` Tom Herbert
2026-01-31 17:24           ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-02 22:21             ` Tom Herbert
2026-01-26 19:48 ` [PATCH net-next v5 7/7] ipv6: Document enforce_ext_hdr_order sysctl Tom Herbert
2026-01-27 18:00   ` Justin Iurman

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