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From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	Linux Netdev List <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Netfilter Development Mailinglist
	<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: netfilter: nf_conntrack: add support for "conntrack zones"
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:55:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1266875729.3673.12.camel@bigi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m13a0tf17t.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>

On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 12:46 -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca> writes:

> 
> This is one of the long standing issues that we have always known
> we needed to solve, but have not taken the time to do it.  Now that
> the need is more real it looks about time to solve this one.
> 
> There are currently two problems.
> 1) A process is needed to hold a reference to the network namespace.
> 2) We use pids which are an awkward way of talking about network
>    namespaces.
> 
> The solution I have been playing with involves.
> - Using a file descriptor to refer to a network namespace.
> - Using a trivial virtual filesystem to persistently hold onto
>   a namespace without the need of a process.
> - Have a convention of mounting the fs at something like
>   /var/run/netns/<name>
> 

I didnt quiet follow how i could use the above to do:
"ip ns <name/id> route add blah" from namespace0.

I tend to think in packets and wires instead of files;
How about just allowing a "control" channel from which
i could discover the namespace?
Example, assuming i have the right permissions:
1) listen to async events example on a multicast bus when
a namespace is created or destroyed. Provide me a little more info on
the created namespace such as its pid, name(?), types of namespace, etc
2) send a query to dump existing namespace or query by name, id etc.
I get the same details as above.

using genetlink should provide you with sufficient ability to do this.

cheers,
jamal


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-22 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-14 14:05 RFC: netfilter: nf_conntrack: add support for "conntrack zones" Patrick McHardy
2010-01-14 15:05 ` jamal
2010-01-14 15:37   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-14 17:33     ` jamal
2010-01-15 10:15       ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-15 15:19         ` jamal
2010-02-22 20:46           ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-22 21:55             ` jamal [this message]
2010-02-22 23:17               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <m1wry46es9.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-23 13:27                   ` jamal
2010-02-23 14:07                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 14:20                       ` jamal
2010-02-23 20:00                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 23:09                           ` jamal
2010-02-24  1:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 20:57                             ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 21:31                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-25 21:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 22:13                                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-25 22:31                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 20:35                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 21:46                               ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-25 21:54                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26  0:53                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26  1:09                               ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-26  1:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26  3:15                               ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control. v2 Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                 ` <m18wagy9f3.fsf_-_-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 20:29                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-03-03 20:50                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <m1pr3t2fvl.fsf_-_-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:13                                 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:24                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:34                                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:42                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:58                                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-26 22:16                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 22:52                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-26 23:13                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27  8:30                                         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27  9:04                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                             ` <m1mxyvrqvk.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27  9:21                                               ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27  9:42                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 16:16                                                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27 19:08                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 19:29                                                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27 19:44                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-28 22:05                                                           ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-01 19:24                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-01 21:42                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 13:10                                                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2010-03-02 15:03                                                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-02 15:14                                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-03-02 21:45                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 21:19                                                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-03-02 22:13                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03  0:07                                                                   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-03-03  0:46                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 15:38                                                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-03 19:47                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-04 21:45                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-04 22:55                                                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-03-03 16:50                                                                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-03 20:16                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-05 19:18                                                                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-05 20:26                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-06 14:47                                                                               ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <4B926B1B.5070207-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-06 20:48                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <m1aaulyy5c.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-06 21:26                                                                                       ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08  8:32                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 16:54                                                                                           ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 17:29                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 19:57                                                                                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 20:24                                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 20:42                                                                                                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 20:47                                                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 21:12                                                                                                       ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 21:25                                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 21:49                                                                                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-08 22:24                                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-09 10:03                                                                                                           ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-09 10:13                                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-09 10:26                                                                                                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-10 21:16                                                                                                           ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 17:07                                                                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-08 17:35                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 17:47                                                                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-03 20:59                                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-03-03 21:05                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                 ` <m18wa9glpo.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-27 12:06                                                                   ` [Devel] " Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                                     ` <m1bpfbwuze.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:35                                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:49                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 23:49                           ` RFC: netfilter: nf_conntrack: add support for "conntrack zones" Matt Helsley
2010-02-24  1:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-24  1:39                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 18:32   ` Ben Greear
2010-01-15 15:03     ` jamal

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