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From: Eugene Crosser <crosser@average.org>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@inai.de>, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Expose skb_gso_validate_network_len() [Was: ebtables: load-on-demand extensions]
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:34:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13977ee9-d93b-62fd-c86a-6c4466f63e38@average.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200619151530.GA3894@salvia>


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On 19/06/2020 17:15, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
>>>>> Why not make a patch to publicly expose the skb's data via nft_meta?
>>>>> No more custom modules, no more userspace modifications [..]
>>>>
>>>> For our particular use case, we are running the skb through the kernel
>>>> function `skb_validate_network_len()` with custom mtu size [..]

(the function name is skb_gso_validate_network_len, my mistake)

I previously expressed strong opinion that our "hack" to send icmp rejects on
Layer 2 will not be useful for anyone else. But the existence of the commit from
Michael Braun proves that I was wrong, and Jan Engelhards was right: it probably
makes sense to implement the functionality that we need within the "new" nft
infrastructure.

As far as I understand, the part that is missing in the existing implementation
is exposure (in some form) of `skb_gso_validate_network_len()` function to
user-configurable filters. Because the kernel does now expose the _size_ under
which a gso skb can be segmented, but only the _boolean_ with the meaning "this
gso skb can fit in mtu that you've specified", I could envision a new match that
could be named like "fits-in-mtu-size" or "segmentable-under". Then an nftables
rule could look roughly like this (for ipv4):

    nft insert rule bridge filter FORWARD \
      ip frag-off & 0x4000 != 0 \
      ip protocol tcp \
      not tcp segmentable-under 1400 \
      reject with icmp type frag-needed

This new function would act the same as "ip len < XXX" for non-gso skbs, and
call skb_gso_validate_network_len(skb, XXX) for gso skbs.

Do you think it makes sense? Shall I try to implement this and submit a patch?

Thank you,

Eugene

>>> I find no such function in the current or past kernels. Perhaps you could post
>>> the code of the module(s) you already have, and we can assess if it, or the
>>> upstream ideals, can be massaged to make the code stick.
>>
>> I really really don't see our module being useful for anyone else! Even
>> for us, it's just a stopgap measure, hopefully to be dropped after a few
>> months. That said, I believe that the company will have no objections
>> against publishing it. I've uploaded initial (untested) code on github
>> here https://github.com/crosser/ebt-pmtud, in case anyone is interested.
> 
> I think there is a way to achieve this with nft 0.9.6 ?
> 
> commit 2a20b5bdbde8a1b510f75b1522772b07e51a77d7
> Author: Michael Braun <...>
> Date:   Wed May 6 11:46:23 2020 +0200
> 
>     datatype: add frag-needed (ipv4) to reject options
> 
>     This enables to send icmp frag-needed messages using reject target.
> 
>     I have a bridge with connects an gretap tunnel with some ethernet lan.
>     On the gretap device I use ignore-df to avoid packets being lost without
>     icmp reject to the sender of the bridged packet.
> 
>     Still I want to avoid packet fragmentation with the gretap packets.
>     So I though about adding an nftables rule like this:
> 
>     nft insert rule bridge filter FORWARD \
>       ip protocol tcp \
>       ip length > 1400 \
>       ip frag-off & 0x4000 != 0 \
>       reject with icmp type frag-needed
> 
>     This would reject all tcp packets with ip dont-fragment bit set that are
>     bigger than some threshold (here 1400 bytes). The sender would then receive
>     ICMP unreachable - fragmentation needed and reduce its packet size (as
>     defined with PMTU).
> 



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-20 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-16 14:48 ebtables: load-on-demand extensions Eugene Crosser
2020-06-16 15:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2020-06-16 15:54   ` Eugene Crosser
2020-06-16 16:33     ` Jan Engelhardt
2020-06-19 13:45       ` Eugene Crosser
2020-06-19 15:15         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-06-19 16:21           ` Eugene Crosser
2020-06-20 10:34           ` Eugene Crosser [this message]
2020-06-20 11:04             ` Expose skb_gso_validate_network_len() [Was: ebtables: load-on-demand extensions] Florian Westphal
2020-06-20 21:16               ` Eugene Crosser
2020-06-21  3:24                 ` Florian Westphal
2020-06-21 10:03                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2020-06-21 18:48                     ` Eugene Crosser
2020-06-21 23:52                     ` Florian Westphal
2020-06-22  4:50                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2020-06-22  7:41                         ` Eugene Crosser

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