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From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <rdenis@simphalempin.com>
To: netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 0/2] Avoid direct connections between NATed hosts
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:11:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200701121911.48617@auguste.remlab.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1168621167.28615.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

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Le vendredi 12 janvier 2007 18:59, Eric Leblond a écrit :
> Some algorithms can be used to established direct connections between
> NATed hosts. Skype is one of the programs using this kind of
> "feature".

NAT are not *security* devices; NATs are meant to *improve* IP usability 
by allowing as many protocols as possible to operate even though there 
are not enough public IP addresses. Making it more difficult for P2P 
apps to operate through is hence completely not only non-sensical, but 
a plain contradiction.

NATs are sufficiently broken and annoying already to handle for software 
development; please do not make them worst. Also, this patch goes 
completely against work-in-progress NAT standards.

In this particular case, your approach is a completely associal 
short-term solution. In the long run, it will simply cause people with 
normal/correct NATs to have to relay even more traffic when they should 
not have to, because of people like you. And it certainly won't prevent 
Skype from running on your network either.

-- 
Rémi Denis-Courmont
http://www.remlab.net/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-12 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-12 16:59 [Patch 0/2] Avoid direct connections between NATed hosts Eric Leblond
2007-01-12 17:02 ` [Patch 1/2] " Eric Leblond
2007-01-12 17:04 ` [Patch 2/2] iptables: add random option to SNAT Eric Leblond
2007-01-12 17:11 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont [this message]
2007-01-12 17:20   ` [Patch 0/2] Avoid direct connections between NATed hosts Patrick McHardy
2007-01-12 17:39     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2007-01-17 12:13       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-12 22:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-13 12:06   ` Resend [Patch 2/2] iptables: add random option to SNAT Eric Leblond
2007-01-13 21:00   ` Resend [Patch 1/2] Avoid direct connections between NATed hosts Eric Leblond
2007-01-17 12:23     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-17 15:18       ` Eric Leblond
2007-01-19 15:36         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-26 14:00         ` Patrick McHardy

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