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From: Volker Sauer <volker@volker-sauer.de>
To: Pascal Hambourg <pascal.mail@plouf.fr.eu.org>
Cc: netfilter@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Problem with new --physdev-out style
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:18:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071024151850.GA7153@volker-sauer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <471F528D.8000501@plouf.fr.eu.org>

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On Mi, 24 Okt 2007, Pascal Hambourg <pascal.mail@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:
> As Patrick said, that condition may change over time. I like to have all my 
> ruleset loaded before the network is configured, even before some interfaces 
> exist. Your proposed change would prevent it. Besides, my opinion is that it 
> is not the job of iptables to do such checks.

Agreed.

>
>> If yes, accept the rule, because then it is
>> allowed to use it!!!  (Which is the case all the thousands of rules in
>> my firewalls except the 5 that I sent to this list :-().
>> If no, display a message like this:
>> "physdev match: using --physdev-out in the FORWARD chains is only allowed 
>> if all physical interfaces are members of the same bridge."
>
> This is wrong and inacurate. Using --physdev-out in the FORWARD and 
> POSTROUTING chains is supported for *bridged* traffic only, period. All 
> physical interfaces being members of the same bridge is not a sufficient 
> condition to make sure that only bridged traffic will be matched. Traffic 
> can still be routed from a bridge to itself.

Yes, it is inacurate.
But I think one needs a better explenation. I'm a power-user but still a
user, not a developer. Users think in different terms and speak another
language. 
Maybe an advice like "look for the option "--physdev-is-bridged" - it
may help you" or so would be good.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-24 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20071024071854.GA18581@volker-sauer.de>
2007-10-24  7:38 ` Problem with new --physdev-out style Patrick McHardy
2007-10-24  8:22   ` Philip Craig
2007-10-24  8:34     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-24  8:43       ` Pascal Hambourg
2007-10-24  9:15         ` Philip Craig
2007-10-24  9:22           ` Pascal Hambourg
2007-10-24  9:39             ` Philip Craig
2007-10-24  9:46               ` Pascal Hambourg
2007-10-24  9:05       ` Philip Craig
2007-10-24  9:42         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-24 12:06           ` Volker Sauer
2007-10-24 12:49             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-24 12:57               ` Volker Sauer
2007-10-24 14:11             ` Pascal Hambourg
2007-10-24 15:18               ` Volker Sauer [this message]
2007-10-24  9:28     ` Philip Craig

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