From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Mathieu Poirier <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
kadlec <kadlec@blackhole.kfki.hu>,
netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v3] netfilter: xtables: add quota support to nfacct
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:20:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140212222049.GA22803@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140212221631.GA22457@localhost>
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:16:31PM +0100, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:58:28AM -0700, Mathieu Poirier wrote:
> [...]
> > > I can see that packet and byte counters are not in sync, but I don't
> > > see why that should be a problem for your quota extension. Your
> > > accounting is based on packet *OR* byte counters.
> >
> > If we have a filter reporting the amount of packets and bytes that
> > have gone through a chain the least we can do is make them coherent.
> > Otherwise the numbers simply can't be trusted. Fixing that problem is
> > what I've done in the 4th version of my patchset sent on Monday.
> >
> > > Moreover, if you inspect the result of the counter update via
> > > atomic_inc_return / atomic_add_return, you can ensure that packets
> > > running out of the quota limit will always match.
> >
> > Thanks for Florian Westphal's hint on 'cmpxchg' I came up with a match
> > algorithm that requires no spinlock and doesn't mandate that packet
> > count be synchronised with bytes. Before sending it out I'd like us
> > to reach a consensus on the above - I think the current accounting
> > method is broken and ought to be fixed.
>
> I really think we should skip that spinlock with atomic64. That
> doesn't make sense to me.
>
> > If the current situation is fine with you I'll simply send another
> > version that works without counts being synchronised - but I really
> > think we can do better.
>
> Given the interferences that you described, I think you can use this
> approach to ensure that only one event is delivered:
>
> if (old < info->quota && new >= info->quota &&
> test_and_set_bit(0, info->quota_reached))
> deliver_event(...);
>
> On top of that, there's another problem that needs to be solved now
> that we have a quota_reached field in the info area. This needs a
> "database of quota objects" that are identified by a name, otherwise
> iptables rule updates will trigger a new (unnecessary event) event
> every time *any* new rule is added.
>
> If you want to test what I mean, try this:
>
> iptables -I INPUT -m quota --quota 1000 -j LOG --log-prefix "quota: "
>
> then keep an eye on /var/log/messages, ping somewhere to generate
> traffic. You should see log messages for each packet until the quota
> is reached. After a couple of ICMP packets, you will see no more logs
> since the quota has been reached.
>
> Now, keep monitoring /var/log/messages and add any rule, eg. iptables
> -I INPUT. The quota matches again and you'll start seeing more log
> messages since every rule updates "resets" the internal state of the
> match. This is a known problem. To solve this, you have to use a
> specific quota object with a refcnt that is identified by a name. See
> xt_hashlimit.c for instance. Note that the quota_reached can't be
> added to the existing nfacct object since it's a valid configuration
> to have two rules using with different quota values that refer to the
> same nfacct object (think of a scenario in which you want to throttle
> to N Kbytes/s after X bytes has been consumed, then throttle to a
> lower M Kbytes/s after X+Y bytes has been consumed).
>
> Thus, the iptables command for this should look like:
>
> iptables -I INPUT -p icmp \
> -m nfacct --mode packets --quota 100 --quota-name icmp-quota-100
This still needs --name icmp, of course.
Just to insist on the concept: the nfacct and the quota object should
be independent.
> In _mt_check you have to look up for "icmp-quota-100" in the list of
> quota objects to attach it to the rule. If it doesn't exist you create
> it. In the _destroy path, you have to put the refcnt, if it reaches
> zero, it will be released. It may sound tricky, but this will work
> fine in practise.
>
> Please, take the time to digest this and let us know if you have any
> question. Thank you.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-12 22:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-01 22:11 [PATCH RESEND v3] netfilter: xtables: add quota support to nfacct mathieu.poirier
2014-02-01 22:57 ` Florian Westphal
2014-02-02 17:58 ` Mathieu Poirier
2014-02-02 20:40 ` Florian Westphal
2014-02-03 23:40 ` Mathieu Poirier
2014-02-12 10:33 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2014-02-12 16:58 ` Mathieu Poirier
2014-02-12 22:16 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2014-02-12 22:20 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2014-02-14 15:20 ` Mathieu Poirier
2014-02-16 2:38 ` Mathieu Poirier
2014-02-16 10:01 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
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