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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: Vasily Averin <vvs@parallels.com>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] Bridge: do not defragment packets unless connection tracking is enabled
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 01:39:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140503233908.GA6297@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140502225522.GA12404@breakpoint.cc>

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:55:22AM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
[...]
> > ---[patch rfc]---
> > Currently bridge can silently drop ipv4 fragments.
> > If node have loaded nf_defrag_ipv4 module but have no nf_conntrack_ipv4,
> > br_nf_pre_routing defragments incoming ipv4 fragments, but skb->nfct check
> > in br_nf_dev_queue_xmit does not allow to re-fragment combined packet back,
> > and therefore it is dropped in br_dev_queue_push_xmit without incrementing
> > of any failcounters.
> > 
> > According to Patrick McHardy, bridge should not defragment and fragment
> > packets unless conntrack is enabled.
> > 
> > This patch adds per network namespace flag to manage ipv4 defragmentation
> > in bridge.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Vasily Averin <vvs@openvz.org>
> 
> Are we sure this is required rather than just removing the skb->nfct
> test in br_nf_dev_queue_xmit() and be done with it?
> 
> Because that seems a lot saner to me, I fail to see how
> 
> if (skb->protocol == htons(ETH_P_IP) &&
>            skb->len + nf_bridge_mtu_reduction(skb) >
> 		    skb->dev->mtu && !skb_is_gso(skb)) {
> 
> Would evaluate as 'true' without nf_defrag_ipv4 module loaded.
> 
> [ its from br_nf_dev_queue_xmit function ]

I think we still may see IP packets larger than the mtu in that path.
It would be a rare case since we need that the bridge has different
(smaller) mtu than the sender, but still possible. The is_skb_forwardable()
check in the current tree snapshot comes just a bit later, so if we
remove that skb->nfct, the bridge will fragment large packets.

In general, I believe bridges should silently drop packets that are
larger than the mtu and they should perform no fragmentation handling,
no gathering and no [re]fragmentation. They are transparent devices
that operate at layer 2.

The conntrack case is a special case that forces us to enable
fragmentation handling since we get sort of a bridge that inspects
layer 3 and 4 packet information. So we have sort of, let's call it, a
mutant bridge.

We also have the tproxy target and the socket match, they seem to
require defragmentation as well, I'm afraid the skb->nfct check will
not help for those cases. I think that we need some counter to know
how many clients we have that require the gathering + fragmentation
code, so if we have at least one, we have to enable it.

Perhaps we can also display a message to inform the user that
netfilter fragmentation handling is enabled.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-03 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20140430092905.GA4318@localhost>
2014-05-02 15:40 ` [PATCH RFC] Bridge: do not defragment packets unless connection tracking is enabled Vasily Averin
2014-05-02 22:55   ` Florian Westphal
2014-05-03  7:15     ` Vasily Averin
2014-05-03  7:18     ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Vasily Averin
2014-05-03 23:39     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2014-05-04  0:23       ` [PATCH RFC] " Florian Westphal
2014-05-04 11:15         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2014-05-04 20:06       ` Bart De Schuymer
2014-05-04 23:01         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2014-05-05 12:55       ` [PATCH RFC 0/7] users counter to manage ipv4 defragmentation on bridge Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 20:57         ` Florian Westphal
2014-05-07 13:27           ` Vasily Averin
2014-05-07 18:49             ` Bart De Schuymer
     [not found]       ` <cover.1399292146.git.vvs@openvz.org>
2014-05-05 12:55         ` [PATCH 1/7] nf: added per net namespace ipv4 defragmentation users counter Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:55         ` [PATCH 2/7] nf: initialization of " Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:56         ` [PATCH 3/7] nf: increment and decrement functions for " Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:56         ` [PATCH 4/7] nf: ipv4 defragmentation users counter changes in nf_conntrack_ipv4 module Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:56         ` [PATCH 5/7] nf: ipv4 defragmentation users counter changes in TPROXY target Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:56         ` [PATCH 6/7] nf: ipv4 defragmentation users counter changes in xt_socket match Vasily Averin
2014-05-05 12:56         ` [PATCH 7/7] nf: use counter to manage ipv4 defragmentation on bridge Vasily Averin

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