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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Cc: alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	kaber@trash.net, davem@davemloft.net, ying.xue@windriver.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	josh@joshtriplett.org
Subject: Re: Ottawa and slow hash-table resize
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:35:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150223223514.GB15405@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150223210037.GA806@casper.infradead.org>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 09:00:37PM +0000, Thomas Graf wrote:
> On 02/23/15 at 10:49am, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > Alexei mentioned that there was some excitement a couple of weeks ago in
> > Ottawa, something about the resizing taking forever when there were large
> > numbers of concurrent additions.  One approach comes to mind:
> > 
> > o	Currently, the hash table does not allow additions concurrently
> > 	with resize operations.  One way to allow this would be to
> > 	have the addition operations add to the new hash table at the
> > 	head of the lists.  This would clearly require also updating the
> > 	pointers used to control the unzip operation.
> 
> I've already added this. Additions and removals can occur in
> parallel to the resize and will go to the head of the new chain.

Good!  (I guess I got confused by one of the comments.  Then again,
I was looking at 3.19.)

> > o	Count the number of entries added during the resize operation.
> > 	Then, at the end of the resize operation, if enough entries have
> > 	been added, do a resize, but by multiple factors of two if
> > 	need be.
> > 
> > This should allow the table to take arbitrarily large numbers of updates
> > during a resize operation.  There are some other possibilities if this
> > approach does not work out.
> 
> The main problem is rapid growth of the table on small tables,
> e.g. shift 4-6. Going through multiple grow cycles while
> thousands of entries are being added will lead to long chains
> which will require multiple RCU grace periods per growth and
> thus slowing things down.
> 
> The bucket locking is designed to ignore the highest order bit
> of the hash to make sure that a single bucket lock in the new
> double sized table protectes both buckets which map to the 
> same bucket in the old table. This simplifies locking a lot and
> does not require nested locking. Growing by more than a factor
> of two would require to manually lock all buckets to which
> entries in the old bucket may map to.

Or just ignore the (say) two upper bits if growing by (say) a factor
of four.  (If I understand what you are doing here, anyway.)

> However, we do not want to grow the bucket lock mask
> indefinitely so we could for example growth quicker if the
> lock mask allows. Needs some more thought but it's definitely
> doable and we need to provide users of the hash table with
> ways to find a balance according to their needs.

Indeed, finding the right balance can be tricky!

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-23 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-23 18:49 Ottawa and slow hash-table resize Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 19:12 ` josh
2015-02-23 21:03   ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-23 21:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 22:32       ` David Miller
2015-02-23 23:06         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-24  8:37           ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-24 10:39             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-24 10:46               ` David Laight
2015-02-24 10:48                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-24 17:09               ` David Miller
2015-02-24 17:50                 ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-24 18:26                   ` David Miller
2015-02-24 18:45                     ` josh
2015-02-24 22:34                       ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-25  8:56                         ` Herbert Xu
2015-02-25 17:38                           ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-24 18:33                   ` josh
2015-02-25  8:55                 ` Herbert Xu
2015-02-25 17:38                   ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-23 21:00 ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-23 22:35   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-02-24  8:59 ` Thomas Graf
2015-02-24  9:38   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-24 10:42     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-24 16:14       ` Josh Hunt
2015-02-24 16:25         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-24 16:57           ` David Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-02-23 22:17 Alexei Starovoitov
2015-02-23 22:34 ` David Miller
2015-02-23 22:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 23:07 Alexei Starovoitov
2015-02-23 23:15 ` David Miller

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