From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pablo Neira Ayuso Subject: Re: [PATCH nft v2 3/3] src: add xt compat support Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 03:00:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20150410010047.GA10677@salvia> References: <20150409203616.GA27610@acer.localdomain> <20150409205135.GG20653@breakpoint.cc> <20150409223417.GA3205@salvia> <20150409232106.GB13473@acer.localdomain> <20150409234424.GB6169@salvia> <20150409234843.GF13473@acer.localdomain> <20150410000734.GA6678@salvia> <20150410001151.GH13473@acer.localdomain> <20150410003632.GB6929@salvia> <20150410003612.GJ13473@acer.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Florian Westphal , netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, arturo.borrero.glez@gmail.com To: Patrick McHardy Return-path: Received: from mail.us.es ([193.147.175.20]:40551 "EHLO mail.us.es" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752833AbbDJA4k (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Apr 2015 20:56:40 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150410003612.GJ13473@acer.localdomain> Sender: netfilter-devel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:36:13AM +0100, Patrick McHardy wrote: > On 10.04, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:11:52AM +0100, Patrick McHardy wrote: > > > On 10.04, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote: > > > > > And actually if you consider what the majority of users are, its people > > > > > using distro provided firewalls, the translation layer will actually > > > > > get us the huge majority of users. > > > > > > > > > > People who actively want to switch won't mind changing their ruleset, > > > > > so they might as well tell us if some feature is missing and we can > > > > > then discuss how to implement it in nftables. > > > > > > > > They will tell us what they need, then they will sit down waiting > > > > until distributors start packaging the new feature, which means > > > > another wait of ~2 years. Most people rely on Linux distributions, not > > > > bleeding edge kernels. You know how behind people can remain from > > > > mainstream to feel -stable. > > > > > > Some distributions are *a lot* faster than that. I don't buy that > > > argument, this is how development has always worked, people state > > > what they need, it gets done. > > > > Even most skilled sysadmin that I know tend to stick to conservative > > distributions to relieve their workload, specially when they have to > > maintain hundred, thousands of systems. > > > > Propagation timing of nftables to production will take quite some time > > and will have to coexist with iptables for long time. > > > > Fact is that we won't be able to get rid of iptables for years. > > Nobody doubts that. You still have to consider the consequences, and > they are not pretty. Lets stick to the other thread to avoid repeating > ourselves. I'm stopping here Patrick, enough work and discussion for today.