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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@inai.de>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf-next 3/6] netfilter: nf_tables: disable old tracing if listener is present
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:53:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151125165351.GD30712@macbook.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1511251718120.24176@nerf40.vanv.qr>

On 25.11, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 2015-11-25 16:06, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> >
> >trace id 85898000 ip ip length 60 ip id 220 ip ttl 64 ip protocol tcp ip saddr 192.168.122.1 ip daddr 192.168.122.84 tcp sport 39558 tcp dport 10000 iif ens3 
> >[...]
> >The second part is the we output normal nft expressions, so "ip" is repeated
> >for every header field. [...] the upside is that the expressions can be
> >easily copy and pasted into the ruleset if necessary.
> 
> "ip ip" looks a bit of out of place. To illustrate,
> 
> 	ip && ip.length==60 && ip.id==220 && ...
> 
> is what the rule seems to mean. However, it is also conceivable that
> someone (who does not have the full knowledge as the .y parser does)
> will read it as
> 
> 	ip.ip.length==60 && ip.id==220 ...
> 
> and might wonder if that is some magic sauce to test the inside header of an
> IPIP packet. Altogether, this causes the nft syntax to remain more confusing
> than the classic iptables one where the &&-segmentation points are reasonably
> known.

Its WIP output. It's supposed to read "ip packet", but I agree, I will
certainly not leave it like this.

> >trace id 85898200 arp filter input verdict 1 mark 0x00000001 iif ens3
> >
> >Comments welcome, especially regarding the current limitations we have.
> 
> I do not think that the far-right printing of IP addresses in the trace output
> is a big deal. Even the iptables TRACE mechanism ends up showing the IP address
> past column 80:
> 
> [239310.214731] TRACE: mangle:INPUT:policy:1 IN=wl0 OUT=
> MAC=7c:7a:91:30:84:cd:18:83:bf:2d:7e:20:08:00 SRC=46.4.122.207
> DST=192.168.217.18 LEN=88 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=42841 DF PROTO=TCP
> SPT=22 DPT=34572 SEQ=1941015595 ACK=2361189253 WINDOW=1382 RES=0x00 ACK PSH
> URGP=0 OPT (0101080A0B6162F1038FDA1F) UID=25121 GID=100 
> 
> (add syslog timestamps in front for added effect).
> And perhaps, to a particular reader, the L4 information - which is even
> more right-shifted in both ipt and nft trace - may be more important
> than the L3 part.
> 
> What I think is a doable way is to output the rule in evaluation order -
> basically, the way it was input.
> If the IP TTL is not that important, perhaps that expression should
> have been moved "to the back" when the rule was generated by the
> userspace tool before being entered into the kernel.

Its a decoded packet dump, not the rule. The rule is of course output in
evaluation order.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-25 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-24 10:02 [PATCH 0/6] nftables trace support Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH nf-next 1/6] netfilter: nf_tables: extend tracing infrastructure Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:17   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:27     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:30       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:35         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 11:11         ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:22   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:28     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:33       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:44         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:45           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:47             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:36       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:44   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25  0:55   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25  8:39     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25  8:48       ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25  9:35       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 10:13         ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 11:51           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 12:20             ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH nf-next 2/6] netfilter: nf_tables: wrap tracing with a static key Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:13   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:21     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:28       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:19   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH nf-next 3/6] netfilter: nf_tables: disable old tracing if listener is present Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:16   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:24   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:31     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:39       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:53         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 11:10           ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 11:33             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 15:15               ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 15:26                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 15:35                   ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 15:42                     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 15:06                       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 16:23                         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 16:34                           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 16:24                         ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 16:46                           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 17:32                             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 22:27                               ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 23:04                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 23:16                                   ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 23:30                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 23:42                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 23:56                                   ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 22:52                             ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-25 23:15                               ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 23:19                                 ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 10:50                             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 11:03                               ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 11:42                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 16:49                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2015-11-25 16:53                           ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2015-11-25 17:14                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2015-11-25 17:24                               ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25  0:57   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH libnftnl 4/6] src: rename EXPORT_SYMBOL to EXPORT_SYMBOL_ALIAS Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:11   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH libnftnl 5/6] src: add trace infrastructure support Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 12:16   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 14:53     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:02 ` [PATCH nftables 6/6] src: add trace support to nft monitor mode Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:25   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:48     ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 10:58       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 11:01         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 11:07           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 11:14             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 11:14         ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 11:41           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 10:53     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 11:04       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-24 11:12         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-24 11:36           ` Patrick McHardy

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