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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH nft 1/2] src: add dscp support
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:42:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151126104249.GA16828@macbook.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151126102833.GA2237@salvia>

On 26.11, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 09:54:45AM +0000, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> > On 26.11, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> > > > > ToS breaks useful things like ECN, and the more I keep reading docs on
> > > > > the Internet, the more problem I have to see how the user can benefit
> > > > > from this.
> > > > 
> > > > We *match* on ToS, that cannot possibly break anything. Also I'm unsure how
> > > > this could break ECN even otherwise, ToS does not even use the ECN bits.
> > > 
> > > ToS bits overlap with ECN bits, from that original ToS 8 bit-field now
> > > we use 6 bit for DSCP and 2 bits for ECN.
> > 
> > Sure, but our ToS definition is wrong anyway, the ToS-bits are actually
> > 3 + 3 + 2 unused bits (ECN).
> 
> That's right according to the original ToS definition, but looking a
> bit further on the RFCs, someone outthere extended this, so I found
> this:
> 
> See 22. Historical Definitions for the IPv4 TOS Octet from
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3168.
> 
> It refers to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1349 that defines
> Minimize Monetary Cost TOS Value and it extends it to one extra bit
> (from 3 to 4, scratching one from the unused bits).
> 
> Bottom line says "Because of this unstable history, the definition of
> the ECN field in this document cannot be guaranteed to be backwards
> compatible with all past uses of these two bits."
> 
> Anyway, looking at the Linux header definitions, we have the
> 
> #define IPTOS_MINCOST           0x02
> 
> The mincost thing is there.
> 
> #define IPTOS_TOS_MASK          0x1E
> #define IPTOS_TOS(tos)          ((tos)&IPTOS_TOS_MASK)
> 
> So it seems our headers are considering ToS is 4 bits too.

Hmm Ok its really a mess. Let's get rid of it for now and we might reconsider
if a user turns up that can make a valid case.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-26 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-25 19:39 [PATCH nft 1/2] src: add dscp support Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 19:39 ` [PATCH nft 2/2] src: add ecn support Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 20:02   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 20:01 ` [PATCH nft 1/2] src: add dscp support Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 20:22   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 20:45     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-25 22:05       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 23:23         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26  9:45           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26  9:54             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 10:28               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 10:42                 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2015-11-25 23:17   ` Jan Engelhardt
2015-11-25 23:27     ` Patrick McHardy

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