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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	Waiman Long <waiman.long@hpe.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, dave@stgolabs.net, will.deacon@arm.com,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org, pablo@netfilter.org,
	kaber@trash.net, davem@davemloft.net, oleg@redhat.com,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, sasha.levin@oracle.com,
	hofrat@osadl.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking: Introduce smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 06:32:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160603133238.GV5231@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160603122310.GM3190@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 02:23:10PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:08:27AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 11:38:34AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 02:48:38PM +0530, Vineet Gupta wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2016 09:27 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > For your example, but keeping the compiler in check:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	if (READ_ONCE(a))
> > > > > 		WRITE_ONCE(b, 1);
> > > > > 	smp_rmb();
> > > > > 	WRITE_ONCE(c, 2);
> > > 
> > > So I think it example is broken. The store to @c is not in fact
> > > dependent on the condition of @a.
> > 
> > At first glance, the compiler could pull the write to "c" above the
> > conditional, but the "memory" constraint in smp_rmb() prevents this.
> > From a hardware viewpoint, the write to "c" does depend on the "if",
> > as the conditional branch does precede that write in execution order.
> > 
> > But yes, this is using smp_rmb() in a very strange way, if that is
> > what you are getting at.
> 
> Well, the CPU could decide that the store to C happens either way around
> the branch. I'm not sure I'd rely on CPUs not being _that_ clever.

If I remember correctly, both Power and ARM guarantee that the CPU won't
be that clever.  Not sure about Itanium.

> 	test	%a, $0
> 	jnz	1f
> 	mov	$1, %b
> 1:	mov	$2, %c
> 
> Its not too much to ask the CPU to look ahead 2 instructions to figure
> out the store into c is going to happen unconditionally.
> 
> I would really only rely on stores immediately dependent on the
> conditional.

Given compiler tricks, a good choice.

								Thanx, Paul


  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-03 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-24 14:27 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] spin_unlock_wait and assorted borkage Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking: Introduce smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <57451581.6000700@hpe.com>
2016-05-25  4:53     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25  5:39       ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-25 14:29         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25 15:20       ` Waiman Long
2016-05-25 15:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25 16:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-25 16:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-25 18:59               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03  9:18           ` Vineet Gupta
2016-06-03  9:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 12:08               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03 12:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 12:27                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 13:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03 13:32                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2016-06-03 13:45                     ` Will Deacon
2016-06-04 15:29                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-06 17:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07  7:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 12:41                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-06-07 13:06                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 14:59                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-06-07 15:23                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 17:48                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 18:44                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:01                                     ` Will Deacon
2016-06-07 18:44                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:54                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:37                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] locking: Annotate spin_unlock_wait() users Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 16:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-24 16:22     ` Tejun Heo
2016-05-24 16:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-25 19:28         ` Tejun Heo
2016-05-24 16:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking,netfilter: Fix nf_conntrack_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <3e1671fc-be0f-bc95-4fbb-6bfc56e6c15b@colorfullife.com>
2016-05-26 13:54     ` Peter Zijlstra

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