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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	Waiman Long <waiman.long@hpe.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, dave@stgolabs.net,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org, pablo@netfilter.org,
	kaber@trash.net, davem@davemloft.net, oleg@redhat.com,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, sasha.levin@oracle.com,
	hofrat@osadl.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking: Introduce smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:28:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160606172824.GA10383@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160604152929.GZ5231@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 08:29:29AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 02:45:53PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 06:32:38AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 02:23:10PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:08:27AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 11:38:34AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 02:48:38PM +0530, Vineet Gupta wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2016 09:27 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > > > For your example, but keeping the compiler in check:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 	if (READ_ONCE(a))
> > > > > > > > 		WRITE_ONCE(b, 1);
> > > > > > > > 	smp_rmb();
> > > > > > > > 	WRITE_ONCE(c, 2);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So I think it example is broken. The store to @c is not in fact
> > > > > > dependent on the condition of @a.
> > > > > 
> > > > > At first glance, the compiler could pull the write to "c" above the
> > > > > conditional, but the "memory" constraint in smp_rmb() prevents this.
> > > > > From a hardware viewpoint, the write to "c" does depend on the "if",
> > > > > as the conditional branch does precede that write in execution order.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But yes, this is using smp_rmb() in a very strange way, if that is
> > > > > what you are getting at.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, the CPU could decide that the store to C happens either way around
> > > > the branch. I'm not sure I'd rely on CPUs not being _that_ clever.
> > > 
> > > If I remember correctly, both Power and ARM guarantee that the CPU won't
> > > be that clever.  Not sure about Itanium.
> > 
> > I wouldn't be so sure about ARM. On 32-bit, at least, we have conditional
> > store instructions so if the compiler could somehow use one of those for
> > the first WRITE_ONCE then there's very obviously no control dependency
> > on the second WRITE_ONCE and they could be observed out of order.
> 
> OK, good to know...
> 
> > I note that smp_rmb() on ARM and arm64 actually orders against subsequent
> > (in program order) writes, so this is still pretty theoretical for us.
> 
> So the combined control-dependency/smp_rmb() still works, but I should
> re-examine the straight control dependency stuff.

And how about the patch below?

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

commit 43672d15aeb69b1a196c06cbc071cbade8d247fd
Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Mon Jun 6 10:19:42 2016 -0700

    documentation: Clarify limited control-dependency scope
    
    Nothing in the control-dependencies section of memory-barriers.txt
    says that control dependencies don't extend beyond the end of the
    if-statement containing the control dependency.  Worse yet, in many
    situations, they do extend beyond that if-statement.  In particular,
    the compiler cannot destroy the control dependency given proper use of
    READ_ONCE() and WRITE_ONCE().  However, a weakly ordered system having
    a conditional-move instruction provides the control-dependency guarantee
    only to code within the scope of the if-statement itself.
    
    This commit therefore adds words and an example demonstrating this
    limitation of control dependencies.
    
    Reported-by: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
index 147ae8ec836f..a4d0a99de04d 100644
--- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
+++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
@@ -806,6 +806,41 @@ out-guess your code.  More generally, although READ_ONCE() does force
 the compiler to actually emit code for a given load, it does not force
 the compiler to use the results.
 
+In addition, control dependencies apply only to the then-clause and
+else-clause of the if-statement in question.  In particular, it does
+not necessarily apply to code following the if-statement:
+
+	q = READ_ONCE(a);
+	if (q) {
+		WRITE_ONCE(b, p);
+	} else {
+		WRITE_ONCE(b, r);
+	}
+	WRITE_ONCE(c, 1);  /* BUG: No ordering against the read from "a". */
+
+It is tempting to argue that there in fact is ordering because the
+compiler cannot reorder volatile accesses and also cannot reorder
+the writes to "b" with the condition.  Unfortunately for this line
+of reasoning, the compiler might compile the two writes to "b" as
+conditional-move instructions, as in this fanciful pseudo-assembly
+language:
+
+	ld r1,a
+	ld r2,p
+	ld r3,r
+	cmp r1,$0
+	cmov,ne r4,r2
+	cmov,eq r4,r3
+	st r4,b
+	st $1,c
+
+A weakly ordered CPU would have no dependency of any sort between the load
+from "a" and the store to "c".  The control dependencies would extend
+only to the pair of cmov instructions and the store depending on them.
+In short, control dependencies apply only to the stores in the then-clause
+and else-clause of the if-statement in question (including functions
+invoked by those two clauses), not to code following that if-statement.
+
 Finally, control dependencies do -not- provide transitivity.  This is
 demonstrated by two related examples, with the initial values of
 x and y both being zero:
@@ -869,6 +904,12 @@ In summary:
       atomic{,64}_read() can help to preserve your control dependency.
       Please see the COMPILER BARRIER section for more information.
 
+  (*) Control dependencies apply only to the then-clause and else-clause
+      of the if-statement containing the control dependency, including
+      any functions that these two clauses call.  Control dependencies
+      do -not- apply to code following the if-statement containing the
+      control dependency.
+
   (*) Control dependencies pair normally with other types of barriers.
 
   (*) Control dependencies do -not- provide transitivity.  If you

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-06 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-24 14:27 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] spin_unlock_wait and assorted borkage Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking: Introduce smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <57451581.6000700@hpe.com>
2016-05-25  4:53     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25  5:39       ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-25 14:29         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25 15:20       ` Waiman Long
2016-05-25 15:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-25 16:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-25 16:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-25 18:59               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03  9:18           ` Vineet Gupta
2016-06-03  9:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 12:08               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03 12:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 12:27                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 13:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03 13:32                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-03 13:45                     ` Will Deacon
2016-06-04 15:29                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-06 17:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2016-06-07  7:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 12:41                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-06-07 13:06                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 14:59                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-06-07 15:23                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 17:48                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 18:44                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:01                                     ` Will Deacon
2016-06-07 18:44                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:54                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-06-07 18:37                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] locking: Annotate spin_unlock_wait() users Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 16:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-24 16:22     ` Tejun Heo
2016-05-24 16:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-25 19:28         ` Tejun Heo
2016-05-24 16:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking,netfilter: Fix nf_conntrack_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-24 14:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <3e1671fc-be0f-bc95-4fbb-6bfc56e6c15b@colorfullife.com>
2016-05-26 13:54     ` Peter Zijlstra

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