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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:47:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231002084746.GA19898@breakpoint.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRp9YLffVWrb1Wn0@calendula>

Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org> wrote:
> Looking at your series, I don't think we are that far each other, see
> below.

Agree.

> On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 11:08:16PM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> > I've pushed a (not very much tested) version of gc overhaul
> > to passive lookups based on expiry candidates, this removes
> > the need for gc sequence counters.
> 
> This patch ("netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: prefer sync gc to async
> worker")
> 
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/fwestphal/nf.git/commit/?h=nft_set_gc_query_08&id=edfeb02d758d6a96a3c1c9a483b69e43e5528e87
> 
> goes in the same direction I would like to go with my incomplete patch
> I posted. However:
> 
> +static void nft_rbtree_commit(struct nft_set *set)
> +{
> +	struct nft_rbtree *priv = nft_set_priv(set);
> +
> +	if (time_after_eq(jiffies, priv->last_gc + nft_set_gc_interval(set)))
> +		nft_rbtree_gc(set);
> +}
> 
> I don't think this time_after_eq() to postpone element removal will
> work. According to Stefano, you cannot store in the rbtree tree
> duplicated elements.

Note that in this series the on-demand part is still in place,
there will be no duplicate elements.

> Same problem already exists for this set backend
> in case a transaction add and delete elements in the same batch.
> Unless we maintain two copies. I understand you don't want to maintain
> the two copies but then this time_after_eq() needs to go away.

I can remove it, I don't think a full traversal (without doing
anything) will be too costly.

> According to what I read it seems we agree on that, the only subtle
> difference between your patch and my incomplete patch is this
> time_after_eq().

Yes, your patch gets rid of on-demand gc, I agree that we cannot
postpone full run in that case.

> > Its vs. nf.git but really should be re-targetted to nf-next, I'll
> > try to do this next week:
> > 
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/fwestphal/nf.git/log/?h=nft_set_gc_query_08
> 
> Thanks. The gc sequence removal is a different topic we have been
> discussing for a while.

Yup.  I wanted to explore how much work this is, and it turns
out it gets a lot less ugly of we don't have to hande rbtree and
its end elements.

> Would it be possible to incorrect zap an entry
> with the transaction semantics? I mean:

Nope, should not happen.

> #1 transaction to remove element k in set x y
> #2 flush set x y (removes dead element k)
> #3 add element k to set x y expires 3 minutes
> #4 gc transaction freshly added new element
>
> In this case, no dead flag is set on in this new element k on so GC
> transaction will skip it.

The GC will do lookup, will find the element, will
see its neither dead nor expired so it will be skipped.

At least thats the idea, entries get zapped only
if they are expired or dead (to handle packet path deletion).

> As for the element timeout update semantics, I will catch up in a
> separated email renaming this thread

Thanks!

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-02  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-29 16:44 [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 16:44 ` [PATCH nf 2/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: remove async GC Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 22:25 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-30  8:10   ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-01 20:10     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-01 21:08       ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02  8:20         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02  8:47           ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2023-10-02 10:24             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 12:42         ` update element timeout support [was Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit] Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 13:58           ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 14:21             ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  8:22               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03  9:04                 ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  9:42                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03 18:24                     ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-04  8:30                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:10             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:14               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 14:23 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 21:37   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:42   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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