From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp-190d.mail.infomaniak.ch (smtp-190d.mail.infomaniak.ch [185.125.25.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A25A1C2DB0 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=185.125.25.13 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1733853944; cv=none; b=nzpnRz8fpDPIJqnDRZBgtantOR7rBOYeQ6SxWJEDVjNspxYnqsKhxrKQ4Il8OhSs4XIwPhbStmS9/NVKNCE3CGsqfGPRrI/SoRCUlFqG180xt4xfhpO1XaIDYPCjraKLwxx5yc43mWac31OkK4ZNtWsOzc34Ov+j6FpmbkhG6Zs= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1733853944; c=relaxed/simple; bh=cV8P/IVlEaa2qjHfEzA3/kNDfQnVV4ToDFPS8xWX8oc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=T3KoeiHAlXzcN7g+vSEOmuMVpUmgqsZVHg/+3KCpzJRPQy5Qyaqqdp1OLpyW4/ISIIz3af+ajIU8zAt3Qo7bpiSK9eYdEL9IjR7Sw1CI+vdK7xAXrJKssZxLyC9Yytilw/SnxgPHkbE8//AKyfr9FT81DEiG0wdetYTRavCOz2Q= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=digikod.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=digikod.net; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=digikod.net header.i=@digikod.net header.b=ujnokSil; arc=none smtp.client-ip=185.125.25.13 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=digikod.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=digikod.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=digikod.net header.i=@digikod.net header.b="ujnokSil" Received: from smtp-4-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (unknown [IPv6:2001:1600:7:10:40ca:feff:fe05:1]) by smtp-4-3000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y768y4Htszdvg; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:05:38 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digikod.net; s=20191114; t=1733853938; bh=gza3l5oTypw+l8B1/vErZ/xUWzQy1RteLPzFdKO3PXo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ujnokSil3DWicZpARfJFhOjw3LTKRhgk8LoxV58ZhWmm2VkSaBsocq1S8tQhGzFDG fkit6tOmAV93AuZteNk9ycajUVNlVv55mDnPT8Nduy9y69GfhbIr6z7Q+ufN08AHU+ Vr3k46ZrL1H/KpsW3nAKuMrUKspe6MauF79afktY= Received: from unknown by smtp-4-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4Y768y0L1RzkGY; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:05:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:05:35 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Micka=C3=ABl_Sala=C3=BCn?= To: Mikhail Ivanov Cc: Matthieu Baerts , gnoack@google.com, willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, matthieu@buffet.re, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, yusongping@huawei.com, artem.kuzin@huawei.com, konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com, MPTCP Linux , David Laight Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] landlock: Fix non-TCP sockets restriction Message-ID: <20241210.ohC4die2hi8v@digikod.net> References: <20241017110454.265818-1-ivanov.mikhail1@huawei-partners.com> <20241017110454.265818-2-ivanov.mikhail1@huawei-partners.com> <49bc2227-d8e1-4233-8bc4-4c2f0a191b7c@kernel.org> <20241018.Kahdeik0aaCh@digikod.net> <20241204.fahVio7eicim@digikod.net> <20241204.acho8AiGh6ai@digikod.net> <20241210.Eenohkipee9f@digikod.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20241210.Eenohkipee9f@digikod.net> X-Infomaniak-Routing: alpha On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 07:04:15PM +0100, Mickaël Salaün wrote: > On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 01:19:19PM +0300, Mikhail Ivanov wrote: > > On 12/4/2024 10:35 PM, Mickaël Salaün wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 04, 2024 at 08:27:58PM +0100, Mickaël Salaün wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 08:08:12PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 02:59:48PM +0200, Matthieu Baerts wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mikhail and Landlock maintainers, > > > > > > > > > > > > +cc MPTCP list. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, we should include this list in the next series. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/10/2024 13:04, Mikhail Ivanov wrote: > > > > > > > Do not check TCP access right if socket protocol is not IPPROTO_TCP. > > > > > > > LANDLOCK_ACCESS_NET_BIND_TCP and LANDLOCK_ACCESS_NET_CONNECT_TCP > > > > > > > should not restrict bind(2) and connect(2) for non-TCP protocols > > > > > > > (SCTP, MPTCP, SMC). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the patch! > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm part of the MPTCP team, and I'm wondering if MPTCP should not be > > > > > > treated like TCP here. MPTCP is an extension to TCP: on the wire, we can > > > > > > see TCP packets with extra TCP options. On Linux, there is indeed a > > > > > > dedicated MPTCP socket (IPPROTO_MPTCP), but that's just internal, > > > > > > because we needed such dedicated socket to talk to the userspace. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know Landlock well, but I think it is important to know that an > > > > > > MPTCP socket can be used to discuss with "plain" TCP packets: the kernel > > > > > > will do a fallback to "plain" TCP if MPTCP is not supported by the other > > > > > > peer or by a middlebox. It means that with this patch, if TCP is blocked > > > > > > by Landlock, someone can simply force an application to create an MPTCP > > > > > > socket -- e.g. via LD_PRELOAD -- and bypass the restrictions. It will > > > > > > certainly work, even when connecting to a peer not supporting MPTCP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I'm not against this modification -- especially here > > > > > > when we remove restrictions around MPTCP sockets :) -- I'm just saying > > > > > > it might be less confusing for users if MPTCP is considered as being > > > > > > part of TCP. A bit similar to what someone would do with a firewall: if > > > > > > TCP is blocked, MPTCP is blocked as well. > > > > > > > > > > Good point! I don't know well MPTCP but I think you're right. Given > > > > > it's close relationship with TCP and the fallback mechanism, it would > > > > > make sense for users to not make a difference and it would avoid bypass > > > > > of misleading restrictions. Moreover the Landlock rules are simple and > > > > > only control TCP ports, not peer addresses, which seems to be the main > > > > > evolution of MPTCP. > > > > > > > > Thinking more about this, this makes sense from the point of view of the > > > > network stack, but looking at external (potentially bogus) firewalls or > > > > malware detection systems, it is something different. If we don't > > > > provide a way for users to differenciate the control of SCTP from TCP, > > > > malicious use of SCTP could still bypass this kind of bogus security > > > > appliances. It would then be safer to stick to the protocol semantic by > > > > clearly differenciating TCP from MPTCP (or any other protocol). > > > > You mean that these firewals have protocol granularity (e.g. different > > restrictions for MPTCP and TCP sockets)? > > Yes, and more importantly they can miss the MTCP semantic and then not > properly filter such packet, which can be use to escape the network > policy. See some issues here: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipath_TCP > > The point is that we cannot assume anything about other networking > stacks, and if Landlock can properly differentiate between TCP and MTCP > (e.g. with new LANDLOCK_ACCESS_NET_CONNECT_MTCP) users of such firewalls > could still limit the impact of their firewall's bugs. However, if > Landlock treats TCP and MTCP the same way, we'll not be able to only > deny MTCP. In most use cases, the network policy should treat both TCP > and MTCP the same way though, but we should let users decide according > to their context. > > From an implementation point of view, adding MTCP support should be > simple, mainly tests will grow. s/MTCP/MPTCP/g of course. > > > > > > > > > > > Mikhail, could you please send a new patch series containing one patch > > > > to fix the kernel and another to extend tests? > > > > > > No need to squash them in one, please keep the current split of the test > > > patches. However, it would be good to be able to easily backport them, > > > or at least the most relevant for this fix, which means to avoid > > > extended refactoring. > > > > No problem, I'll remove the fix of error consistency from this patchset. > > BTW, what do you think about second and third commits? Should I send the > > new version of them as well (in separate patch)? > > According to the description, patch 2 may be included in this series if > it can be tested with any other LSM, but I cannot read these patches: > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241017110454.265818-3-ivanov.mikhail1@huawei-partners.com/