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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: Braden Bassingthwaite <bbassingthwaite@digitalocean.com>
Cc: pablo@netfilter.org, kadlec@netfilter.org, fw@strlen.de,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, coreteam@netfilter.org,
	ncardwell@google.com, maximmi@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: SYNPROXY affecting initial BBR throughput
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 12:12:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250411101240.GB26507@breakpoint.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFejGzLnjCKfhx2FnjWnnCnO1x1nH1mKnia41a_7OtrqbFbRLg@mail.gmail.com>

Braden Bassingthwaite <bbassingthwaite@digitalocean.com> wrote:
> I am using SYNPROXY with XDP and have discovered an issue with the current
> SYNPROXY implementation. When used in conjunction with BBR (TCP Congestion
> Control), connections over WANs have drastically reduced bandwidth (< 1
> Mbps) for the first 10s of a connection, and will accelerate to their
> expected bandwidth of ~ 500 Mbps.
> 
> I believe this is because SYNPROXY will internally send a SYN and SYN/ACK
> after the 3HS is completed. This causes the initial RTT of the connection
> to be artificially low < 50 microseconds when it should be > 100ms in our
> experiments.
> 
> BBR uses a RTT sliding window of 10s and during that window, it will
> leverage the minRTT. For our WAN connections, the artificially low RTT
> affects the window size and drastically reduces the available bandwidth for
> that period for these connections.
> 
> Ideally SYNPROXY would somehow signal to the TCP stack that it should
> ignore this SYN->SYN/ACK RTT since it's not a valid measurement, and would
> rely on subsequent RTTs.

SYNPROXY is designed as a middlebox, both sender and responder are
considered to be on a different physical host, so its not possible to
signal that initial rtt measurment should be discarded.

If you are already using BPF, did you consider
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240115205514.68364-1-kuniyu@amazon.com/

instead of SYNPROXY?

(or just use normal tcp stacks syncookie mode, i don't see why you
 have to do upfront xdp cookies if its all on the same host ...).

       reply	other threads:[~2025-04-11 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 2+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAFejGzLnjCKfhx2FnjWnnCnO1x1nH1mKnia41a_7OtrqbFbRLg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-04-11 10:12 ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2025-04-11 11:05   ` SYNPROXY affecting initial BBR throughput Pablo Neira Ayuso

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