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From: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Support for loading firewall rules with cgroup(v2) expressions early
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 20:46:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3f1e45fc-01dc-a790-a98e-f0161fe6424f@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YkHOuprHwwuXjWrm@salvia>

On 28.3.2022 18.05, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 05:08:32PM +0300, Topi Miettinen wrote:
>> On 28.3.2022 0.31, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 12:09:26PM +0200, Topi Miettinen wrote:
> [...]
>>>> Another possibility would be to hook into cgroup directory creation logic in
>>>> kernel so that when the cgroup is created, part of the path checks are
>>>> performed or something else which would allow non-existent cgroups to be
>>>> used. Then the NFT syntax would not need changing, but the expressions would
>>>> "just work" even when loaded early.
>>>
>>> Could you use inotify/dnotify/eventfd to track these updates from
>>> userspace and update the nftables sets accordingly? AFAIK, this is
>>> available to cgroupsv2.
>>
>> It's possible, there's for example:
>> https://github.com/mk-fg/systemd-cgroup-nftables-policy-manager
> 
> This one seems to be adding one rule per cgroupv2, it would be better
> to use a map for this purpose for scalability reasons.
> 
>> https://github.com/helsinki-systems/nft_cgroupv2/
> 
> This approach above takes us back to the linear ruleset evaluation
> problem, this is basically looking like iptables, this does not scale up.
> 
>> But I think that with this approach, depending on system load, there could
>> be a vulnerable time window where the rules aren't loaded yet but the
>> process which is supposed to be protected by the rules has already started
>> running. This isn't desirable for firewalls, so I'd like to have a way for
>> loading the firewall rules as early as possible.
> 
> You could define a static ruleset which creates the table, basechain
> and the cgroupv2 verdict map. Then, systemd updates this map with new
> entries to match on cgroupsv2 and apply the corresponding policy for
> this process, and delete it when not needed anymore. You have to
> define one non-basechain for each cgroupv2 policy.

So something like this:
table inet x {
	map dict {
		type string : verdict;
	}

	chain y {
		socket cgroupv2 level 4 vmap @dict
	}
}
and then systemd would add an entry like { 
"app-local\x2dfirefox\x2desr-01d5fcc2f9114e509e992cdaef3d84c3.scope" : 
accept } to the vmap "dict" when realizing the cgroup?

-Topi

> To address the vulnerable time window, the static ruleset defines a
> default policy to allow nothing until an explicit policy based on
> cgroupv2 for this process is in place.
> 
> The cgroupv2 support for nftables was designed to be used with maps.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-28 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-26 10:09 Support for loading firewall rules with cgroup(v2) expressions early Topi Miettinen
2022-03-27 21:31 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-03-28 14:08   ` Topi Miettinen
2022-03-28 15:05     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-03-28 17:46       ` Topi Miettinen [this message]
2022-03-29 18:20       ` Topi Miettinen
2022-03-29 22:25         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-03-30  2:53           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-04-02  8:12             ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-03 18:32               ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-05 22:00                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-04-06 13:57                   ` Topi Miettinen
2022-03-30 16:37           ` Topi Miettinen
2022-03-30 21:47             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-03-31 15:10               ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-05 22:18                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2022-04-06 14:02                   ` Topi Miettinen

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