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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>, Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-net@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFD] iptables:  mangle table obsoletes filter table
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:24:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <471699A0.3060303@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47168EA1.1080300@tmr.com>

Bill Davidsen wrote:

>>>> If not, then shouldn't the filter table be obsoleted to avoid 
>>>> confusion?
>>> That would probably confuse people. Just don't use it if you don't
>>> need to.
>>
> That is a most practical suggestion.
> 
>> The problem is that people think they are safe with the filter table, 
>> when in fact they need the prerouting chain to seal things.  Right now 
>> this is only possible in the mangle table.
>>
> I'm not sure what you think is unsafe about using the filter table, and 
> the order of evaluation issues certainly seem to suggest that some 
> actions would take a major rethink at least. Perhaps you could avoid 
> breaking all of the setups which currently work, rather than force 
> everyone to do things differently because you feel that your way is better.
> 
It was my intention to suggest that unintentional breakage of existing 
setups should be avoided, not that removing the filter table was some 
evil plot. ;-)
On rereading my original post I failed to make that clear, please take 
it as intended.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-17 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200710120031.42805.a1426z@gawab.com>
     [not found] ` <470EF994.4080403@trash.net>
2007-10-12  4:39   ` [RFD] iptables: mangle table obsoletes filter table Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12  5:37   ` Al Boldi
2007-10-12 11:48     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12 12:25       ` Al Boldi
2007-10-12 12:31         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12 13:18           ` Al Boldi
2007-10-12 13:23             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12 22:56               ` Al Boldi
2007-10-17 22:37     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-17 23:24       ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-10-20  3:40         ` Al Boldi
2007-10-20  4:47           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-20 11:10             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-21  4:31             ` Al Boldi
2007-10-21  4:53               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-23 22:27               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-12 13:01 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-12 13:30   ` Al Boldi
2007-10-12 13:39     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-12 13:48       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12 14:02         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-12 14:03           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12 22:56         ` Al Boldi
2007-10-12 23:02           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-12  5:14 Al Boldi

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