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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	Netfilter Developer Mailing List
	<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] xt_mark match rev 1
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:55:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4763F8FE.5040607@netfilter.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712151322150.22877@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>

Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Dec 11 2007 11:25, Patrick McHardy wrote:
>> Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>>> Introduce the xt_mark match revision 1. It uses fixed types,
>>> with the goal of obsoleting revision 0 some day (uses nonfixed types).
>> I don't know. We already have all this compat crap because
>> we specifically don't want to obsolete old userspace binaries,
>> so the only benefit I see is a minor decrease in overhead
>> when loading rules.
>>
> There are two sorts of compatibility.
> 
> * "Post-breakage fixes" like ->compat_from_user and ->compat_to_user
>   which have to deal with 32-bit user / 64-bit kernel
> 
> * ->revision which is a good architecture to keep older interfaces a
>   little longer.
> 
> The ->revision game is ok IMHO; there will always be revision
> differences between user- and k-space, and it is a nice architecture
> for new-behavior revisions. But the ->compat* fluff is not really
> needed anymore once switched to fixed types everywhere (reasonable
> time needed).

The revision thing was a hack that I introduced myself to let us add
several improvements that we really needed at that time, actually it is
not something we should abuse IMO.

> Old revisions should be purged after a "reasonable time" (whatever
> that means for everyone), or perhaps whenever there is a Linux kernel
> version with a trailing .0 (2.7.0, 2.8.0), or when great new things
> appear (pkttables, or whatever is in the works).
> 
> I think the step should better be made now than later, or this cruft
> will be carried for the next 10 instead of 5 years.

I hope that we'll get that long-awaited netlink interface for iptables
before those 10 years goes by and we all become museum pieces :)

-- 
"Los honestos son inadaptados sociales" -- Les Luthiers

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-15 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-07  2:35 [PATCH 1/7] Use %u format specifiers Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-07  2:36 ` [PATCH 2/7] Introduce nf_inet_address Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-11 10:16   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-15 12:06     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 16:21       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 12:52         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:28       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:51         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 13:00           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-07  2:40 ` [PATCH 3/7] xt_connlimit rev 1 Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-11 10:19   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-15 12:20     ` [PATCH 3/7] Let xt_connlimit use nf_inet_addr Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 12:33       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:52         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 12:54           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-07  2:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] xt_mark match rev 1 Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-11 10:25   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-15 12:28     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 15:55       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2007-12-15 16:10         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 16:42           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2007-12-15 21:26             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 12:49               ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:47             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 13:08               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2007-12-17 13:44                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:37       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-17 12:55         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-07  2:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] xt_MARK target rev 2 Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-11 10:27   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-15 13:59     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 14:47       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-07  2:42 ` [PATCH 6/7] xt_connmark rev 1 Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-07  2:42 ` [PATCH 7/7] xt_CONNMARK " Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-11 10:13 ` [PATCH 1/7] Use %u format specifiers Patrick McHardy

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