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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>, Flavio Leitner <fbl@redhat.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
	NetFilter <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net: preserve sock reference when scrubbing the skb.
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 23:41:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48e15faf-f935-0166-e1db-18f7286e7264@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM_iQpX_X4hhSSrhMZavLibobp6tgMEa_26T6j4QvACKg-HPvw@mail.gmail.com>



On 06/25/2018 09:15 PM, Cong Wang wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:59 AM Flavio Leitner <fbl@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> The sock reference is lost when scrubbing the packet and that breaks
>> TSQ (TCP Small Queues) and XPS (Transmit Packet Steering) causing
>> performance impacts of about 50% in a single TCP stream when crossing
>> network namespaces.
>>
>> XPS breaks because the queue mapping stored in the socket is not
>> available, so another random queue might be selected when the stack
>> needs to transmit something like a TCP ACK, or TCP Retransmissions.
>> That causes packet re-ordering and/or performance issues.
>>
>> TSQ breaks because it orphans the packet while it is still in the
>> host, so packets are queued contributing to the buffer bloat problem.
> 
> Why should TSQ in one stack care about buffer bloat in another stack?
> 
> Actually, I think the current behavior is correct, once the packet leaves
> its current stack (or netns), it should relief the backpressure on TCP
> socket in this stack, whether it will be queued in another stack is beyond
> its concern. This breaks the isolation between networking stacks.
> 

We discussed about this during netconf Cong, nobody was against this planned removal.

When a packet is attached to a socket, we should keep the association as much as possible.

Only when a new association needs to be done, skb_orphan() needs to be called.

Doing this skb_orphan() too soon breaks back pressure in general, this is bad, since a socket
can evades SO_SNDBUF limits.

I am not sure why the patch is so complex, I would have simply removed the skb_orphan().

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-26  6:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-25 15:56 [PATCH net-next] net: preserve sock reference when scrubbing the skb Flavio Leitner
2018-06-26  4:15 ` Cong Wang
2018-06-26  6:41   ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2018-06-26 12:38     ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-26 13:06       ` Eric Dumazet
2018-06-26 13:32         ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-26 21:48     ` Cong Wang
2018-06-26 22:03       ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-26 22:47         ` Cong Wang
2018-06-26 23:33           ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-27  0:29             ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27  0:39               ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-27  1:28                 ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27 12:31                   ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-27 19:06                     ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27 20:19                       ` Flavio Leitner
2018-06-28 21:51                         ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27  2:32               ` Eric Dumazet
2018-06-26 23:53           ` Eric Dumazet
2018-06-27  0:44             ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27  2:35               ` Eric Dumazet
2018-06-27 18:59                 ` Cong Wang
2018-06-27 19:33                   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-06-27 19:55                     ` Cong Wang
2018-06-28 23:18 ` Cong Wang

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