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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: shemminger@vyatta.com, rick.jones2@hp.com, dada1@cosmosbay.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFT 4/4] netfilter: Get rid of central rwlock in tcp conntracking
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:23:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <499C9881.2080909@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090218.135512.104648058.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:56:45 +0100
> 
>> Eric already posted a patch to use an array of locks, which is
>> a better approach IMO since it keeps the size of the conntrack
>> entries down.
> 
> Just as a side note, we generally frown upon the
> hash-array-of-spinlocks approach to scalability.
> 
> If you need proof that in the long term it's suboptimal, note that:
> 
> 1) this is Solaris's approach to locking scalability :-)

:)

> 2) every such case in the kernel eventually gets transformed into
>    RCU, a tree/trie based scheme, or some combination of the two
> 
> So maybe for now it's ok, but keep in mind that eventually
> this is certain to change. :)

This case might be different in that a normal firewall use case
probably doesn't have more than 16 cpus, even than would be quite
a lot. So for bigger machines this is probably more about keeping
the "non-use" costs low.

I'll keep it in mind though and I'm interested in seeing how it
turns out in the long term :)

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-18 23:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-18  5:19 [RFT 0/4] Netfilter/iptables performance improvements Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18  5:19 ` [RFT 1/4] iptables: lock free counters Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18 10:02   ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-19 19:47   ` [PATCH] " Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-19 23:46     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-19 23:56       ` Rick Jones
2009-02-20  1:03         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-20  1:18           ` Rick Jones
2009-02-20  9:42             ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-20 22:57               ` Rick Jones
2009-02-21  0:35                 ` Rick Jones
2009-02-20  9:37       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-20 18:10       ` [PATCH] iptables: xt_hashlimit fix Eric Dumazet
2009-02-20 18:33         ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-02-28  1:54           ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-02-28  6:56             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-28  8:22               ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-02-24 14:31         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-27 14:02       ` [PATCH] iptables: lock free counters Eric Dumazet
2009-02-27 16:08         ` [PATCH] rcu: increment quiescent state counter in ksoftirqd() Eric Dumazet
2009-02-27 16:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-02 10:55         ` [PATCH] iptables: lock free counters Patrick McHardy
2009-03-02 17:47           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-02 21:56             ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-02 22:02               ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-02 22:07                 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-02 22:17                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-02 22:27                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-18  5:19 ` [RFT 2/4] Add mod_timer_noact Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18  9:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  9:30     ` David Miller
2009-02-18 11:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 11:39         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-02-18 12:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 12:33         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 21:39         ` David Miller
2009-02-18 21:51           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 22:04             ` David Miller
2009-02-18 22:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-18 22:47                 ` David Miller
2009-02-18 22:56                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18 10:07     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 12:05       ` [patch] timers: add mod_timer_pending() Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 12:33         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 12:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 12:54             ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 13:47               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:00         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-18 18:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:58             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-18 19:24               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 10:29   ` [RFT 2/4] Add mod_timer_noact Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18  5:19 ` [RFT 3/4] Use mod_timer_noact to remove nf_conntrack_lock Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18  9:54   ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 11:05   ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-02-18 11:08     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 14:01   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-18 14:04     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 14:22       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-18 14:27         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18  5:19 ` [RFT 4/4] netfilter: Get rid of central rwlock in tcp conntracking Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18  9:56   ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-18 14:17     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-02-19 22:03       ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-28 16:55       ` [PATCH] netfilter: finer grained nf_conn locking Eric Dumazet
2009-03-29  0:48         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-30 19:57           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-30 20:05             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-06 12:07               ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-06 12:32                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-06 17:25                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-30 18:57         ` Rick Jones
2009-03-30 19:20           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-30 19:38           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2009-03-30 19:54             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-30 20:34               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2009-03-30 20:41                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-30 21:25                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2009-03-30 22:44                   ` Rick Jones
2009-02-18 21:55     ` [RFT 4/4] netfilter: Get rid of central rwlock in tcp conntracking David Miller
2009-02-18 23:23       ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2009-02-18 23:35         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-02-18  8:30 ` [RFT 0/4] Netfilter/iptables performance improvements Eric Dumazet

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