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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] ctnetlink: optional reliable event delivery
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:12:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49CCA681.2090704@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090327094031.8259.81782.stgit@Decadence>

Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> This patch improves ctnetlink event reliability if one broadcast
> listener has set the NETLINK_BROADCAST_ERROR socket option.
> 
> The logic is the following: if the event delivery fails, ctnetlink
> sets IPCT_DELIVERY_FAILED event bit and keep the undelivered
> events in the conntrack event cache. Thus, once the next packet
> arrives, we trigger another event delivery in nf_conntrack_in(). If
> things don't go well in this second try, we accumulate the pending
> events in the cache but we try to deliver the current state as soon
> as possible. Therefore, we may lost state transitions but the
> userspace process gets in sync at some point.

Sounds good so far. Except - this won't work without per-conntrack
events I guess. And those would need (quite a lot of) atomic operations
again.

> At worst case, if no events were delivered to userspace, we make
> sure that destroy events are successfully delivered. This happens
> because if ctnetlink fails to deliver the destroy event, we re-add
> the conntrack timer with an extra grace timeout of 15 seconds to
> trigger the event again (this grace timeout is tunable via /proc).
> 
> If a packet closing the flow (like a TCP RST) kills the conntrack
> entry but the event delivery fails, we drop the packet and keep
> the entry in the kernel. This is the only case in which we may drop
> a packets.

This last two points don't seem like good behaviour at all. The
timeouts are supposed to have a meaning, so they should *at least*
deactivate the conntrack. Explicit removal of the conntrack should
*never* fail. TCP conntrack needs it for connection reopening,
handling out of sync sessions etc.

> For expectations, the logic is more simple, if the event delivery
> fails, we drop the packet.

.. while restoring the expectation to an active state I hope?

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-27 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-27  9:38 [PATCH 0/5] improve ctnetlink event reliability Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27  9:39 ` [PATCH 1/5] netfilter: conntrack: remove events flags from userspace exposed file Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27  9:39 ` [PATCH 2/5] netfilter: conntrack: use nf_ct_kill() to destroy conntracks Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27  9:39 ` [PATCH 3/5] netfilter: conntrack: don't report events on module removal Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27  9:40 ` [PATCH 4/5] conntrack: ecache: move event cache to conntrack extension infrastructure Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27  9:52   ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-27 11:37     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27 11:41       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-27 11:57         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27 11:58           ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-27  9:40 ` [PATCH 5/5] ctnetlink: optional reliable event delivery Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27 10:12   ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2009-03-27 12:32     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2009-03-27 12:51       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-03-30 11:22         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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