From: Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>
To: Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@blackhole.kfki.hu>
Cc: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
Chris Wilson <chris-netfilter-110904@aptivate.org>,
netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: UDP packets sent with wrong source address after routing change [AV#3431]
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:19:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <50A2B96D.5080905@earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211132012500.21586@blackhole.kfki.hu>
On 11/13/2012 02:24 PM, Jozsef Kadlecsik wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Stephen Clark wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2012 10:25 AM, Jozsef Kadlecsik wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Stephen Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>> A similar problem exists in the following scenario:
>>>> You have two upstream isp that you are doing load balancing by having
>>>> multiple
>>>> default routes:
>>>> default
>>>> nexthop via 66.xxx.xxx.xxx dev eth1 weight 1
>>>> nexthop via 205.xxx.xxx.xxx dev eth2 weight 1
>>>> On one of the external interface you have a DNAT to
>>>> an internal server on a private address. The DNAT makes
>>>> a conntrack entry that is going to in effect do a SNAT on reponses
>>>> from the internal server back out to the internet, but the load balancing
>>>> decision on routing happens before this implicit SNAT so you have packets
>>>> trying to go out an interface where the source address does not fall in
>>>> the
>>>> subnet of that interface.
>>> In my opinion this is a broken network design. The DNAT should not depend
>>> on the external interface, problem solved.
>>>
>> Hmmm... what does this mean ^^^ ?
>> Say you have the follwoing:
>> eth1 with ips 66.xxx.xxx.1 and 66.xxx.xxx.2
>> eth2 with ip 205.xxx.xxx.xxx
>> eth0 with ip 10.0.1.254/24
>> with a server at 10.0.1.253.
>>
>> iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -d 66.xxx.xxx.2 -j DNAT --to-destination
>> 10.0.1.253
>>
>> How else would you access an internal server at a private address
>> without using a DNAT from an external public ip? Is there some other way
>> to do this that I am not aware of?
> Everything depends on your backup provider: does it route the network
> 66.xxx.xxx.xxx/y to you or not?
>
> - If the answer is no, then the rule above is correct but the internal
> server cannot be reached when the backup line is up. So it does not
> matter what's in the conntrack table, no answer is sent over the backup
> link to you.
> - If the answer is yes, then the rule should not contain the "-i eth1"
> part and your internal server could be reached as 66.xxx.xxx.2,
> independent of the uplinks.
There is no intent for backup of the incoming connection to 66.xxx.xxx.2 - only
load balancing outgoing
traffic.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin)
"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty
decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-13 21:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-08 16:35 UDP packets sent with wrong source address after routing change [AV#3431] Chris Wilson
2012-11-08 17:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-08 18:37 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-08 20:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-09 16:17 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-10 14:07 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-10 19:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-10 21:47 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-11 12:23 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12 10:24 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 15:05 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 15:27 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 16:56 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 18:19 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 19:07 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 20:56 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 15:58 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:09 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 16:19 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 17:02 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 18:01 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-12 19:56 ` Ed W
2012-11-12 19:34 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 22:34 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 16:04 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 23:30 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-13 14:23 ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-13 15:25 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 18:30 ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-13 19:24 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 21:19 ` Stephen Clark [this message]
2012-11-14 8:08 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-14 14:14 ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-14 14:57 ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-14 20:15 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-15 12:33 ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-15 14:01 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:11 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:47 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
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