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From: "Konstantin Meskhidze (A)" <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
Cc: <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	<linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>, <yusongping@huawei.com>,
	<artem.kuzin@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 12/12] landlock: Document Landlock's network support
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:03:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <526a70a2-b0bc-f29a-6558-022ca12a6430@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <68f26cf2-f382-4d31-c80f-22392a85376f@digikod.net>



1/27/2023 9:22 PM, Mickaël Salaün пишет:
> 
> On 23/01/2023 10:38, Konstantin Meskhidze (A) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 1/22/2023 2:07 AM, Günther Noack пишет:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> @@ -143,10 +157,24 @@ for the ruleset creation, by filtering access rights according to the Landlock
>>>>   ABI version.  In this example, this is not required because all of the requested
>>>>   ``allowed_access`` rights are already available in ABI 1.
>>>>   
>>>> -We now have a ruleset with one rule allowing read access to ``/usr`` while
>>>> -denying all other handled accesses for the filesystem.  The next step is to
>>>> -restrict the current thread from gaining more privileges (e.g. thanks to a SUID
>>>> -binary).
>>>> +For network access-control, we can add a set of rules that allow to use a port
>>>> +number for a specific action. All ports values must be defined in network byte
>>>> +order.
>>>
>>> What is the point of asking user space to convert this to network byte
>>> order? It seems to me that the kernel would be able to convert it to
>>> network byte order very easily internally and in a single place -- why
>>> ask all of the users to deal with that complexity? Am I overlooking
>>> something?
>> 
>>    I had a discussion about this issue with Mickaёl.
>>    Please check these threads:
>>    1.
>> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/49391484-7401-e7c7-d909-3bd6bd024731@digikod.net/
>>    2.
>> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/1ed20e34-c252-b849-ab92-78c82901c979@huawei.com/
> 
> I'm definitely not sure if this is the right solution, or if there is
> one. The rationale is to make it close to the current (POSIX) API. We
> didn't get many opinion about that but I'd really like to have a
> discussion about port endianness for this Landlock API.

   As for me, the kernel should take care about port converting. This 
work should be done under the hood.

   Any thoughts?

> 
> I looked at some code (e.g. see [1]) and it seems that using htons()
> might make application patching more complex after all. What do you
> think? Is there some network (syscall) API that don't use this convention?
> 
> [1] https://github.com/landlock-lsm/tuto-lighttpd
> 
>>>
>>>> +
>>>> +.. code-block:: c
>>>> +
>>>> +    struct landlock_net_service_attr net_service = {
>>>> +        .allowed_access = LANDLOCK_ACCESS_NET_BIND_TCP,
>>>> +        .port = htons(8080),
>>>> +    };
>>>
>>> This is a more high-level comment:
>>>
>>> The notion of a 16-bit "port" seems to be specific to TCP and UDP --
>>> how do you envision this struct to evolve if other protocols need to
>>> be supported in the future?
>> 
>>     When TCP restrictions land into Linux, we need to think about UDP
>> support. Then other protocols will be on the road. Anyway you are right
>> this struct will be evolving in long term, but I don't have a particular
>> envision now. Thanks for the question - we need to think about it.
>>>
>>> Should this struct and the associated constants have "TCP" in its
>>> name, and other protocols use a separate struct in the future?
> 
> Other protocols such as AF_VSOCK uses a 32-bit port. We could use a
> 32-bits port field or ever a 64-bit one. The later could make more sense
> because each field would eventually be aligned on 64-bit. Picking a
> 16-bit value was to help developers (and compilers/linters) with the
> "correct" type (for TCP).
> 
> If we think about protocols other than TCP and UDP (e.g. AF_VSOCK), it
> could make sense to have a dedicated attr struct specifying other
> properties (e.g. CID). Anyway, the API is flexible but it would be nice
> to not mess with it too much. What do you think?
> 
> 
>>>
>>>> +
>>>> +    err = landlock_add_rule(ruleset_fd, LANDLOCK_RULE_NET_SERVICE,
>>>> +                            &net_service, 0);
>>>> +
>>>> +The next step is to restrict the current thread from gaining more privileges
>>>> +(e.g. thanks to a SUID binary). We now have a ruleset with the first rule allowing
>>>            ^^^^^^
>>>            "through" a SUID binary? "thanks to" sounds like it's desired
>>>            to do that, while we're actually trying to prevent it here?
>> 
>>     This is Mickaёl's part. Let's ask his opinion here.
>> 
>>     Mickaёl, any thoughts?
> 
> Yep, "through" looks better.
> .

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-30 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-16  8:58 [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 01/12] landlock: Make ruleset's access masks more generic Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 02/12] landlock: Allow filesystem layout changes for domains without such rule type Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:34   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14  8:51     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:07       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 12:57         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 03/12] landlock: Refactor landlock_find_rule/insert_rule Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:36   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:15     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:09       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 13:28         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 04/12] landlock: Refactor merge/inherit_ruleset functions Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 05/12] landlock: Move and rename umask_layers() and init_layer_masks() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:37   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:15     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 06/12] landlock: Refactor _unmask_layers() and _init_layer_masks() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:38   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:16     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:07   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06  7:52     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 07/12] landlock: Refactor landlock_add_rule() syscall Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:38   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:18     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 08/12] landlock: Add network rules and TCP hooks support Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:39   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:19     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-13  9:33     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-14 12:13       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-14 14:38         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:04   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 10:18     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 09/12] selftests/landlock: Share enforce_ruleset() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 10/12] selftests/landlock: Add 10 new test suites dedicated to network Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:40   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:36     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:13       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 13:28         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:05   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 12:03     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-06 16:00       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 18:13         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 11/12] samples/landlock: Add network demo Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 12/12] landlock: Document Landlock's network support Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-21 23:07   ` Günther Noack
2023-01-23  9:38     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-27 18:22       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-01-30 10:03         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A) [this message]
2023-02-21 16:16           ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 13:43             ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-06 16:09               ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 17:55                 ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-30 12:26         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-23 22:17 ` [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock Günther Noack
2023-03-06  7:45   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-13 17:16   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-14 13:28     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-26 15:29       ` [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock - allowed list of protocols Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-28  2:33         ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-28 19:03           ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-28 21:56             ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-28  8:44         ` Günther Noack
2023-06-28 17:03           ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-28 19:29             ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-29  3:18               ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-29 11:07                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-30  4:18                   ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-30 18:23                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-05 15:00                       ` Jeff Xu
2023-07-12 11:30                         ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-13 13:20                           ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-07-13 14:52                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-13 11:44                   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-06-28 19:07           ` Mickaël Salaün

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