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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] net: move qdisc ingress filtering on top of netfilter ingress hooks
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:09:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <554253B5.40801@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150430153317.GA3230@salvia>

On 04/30/2015 05:33 PM, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
...
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 07:55:22AM -0400, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:
> [...]
>> Start with a zero rules. Add them logarithmically (with and without
>> traffic running). i.e in order of {0, 1, 10, 100, 1000, ...}
>> With a single rule you dont notice much difference. Start adding rules
>> and it becomes very obvious.
>
> I think the days of linear ruleset performance competitions are over,

Totally agree with you. You want to have a single classification pass
that parses the packet once and comes to a verdict immediately.

> we have better data structures to allow users to arrange the ruleset
> through the multidimensional dictionaries and the arbitrary state
> flows that minimize the number of inspections, which is what it harms
> performance when it comes to packet classification.

I think both have different use cases, though, but on cls_bpf side you
have maps infrastructure that is evolving as well. Not really speaking
about the other remaining classifiers, however. I also don't want to go
any further into this vim vs emacs debate. ;) And, personally, I also
don't have any issue offering alternatives to users.

However, I still disagree with moving ingress behind this artificial
barrier if it's just not necessary. I believe, in your RFC v1 patch,
you had a second ingress hook as a static key for nft, I tend to like
that much better consensus-wise. Both subsystems should not put
unnecessary barriers into their way, really.

Best,
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-30 16:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-29 18:53 [PATCH 0/6 RFC] Netfilter ingress support (v2) Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 1/6] netfilter: cleanup struct nf_hook_ops indentation Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 2/6] netfilter: add hook list to nf_hook_state Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 3/6] netfilter: add nf_hook_list_active() Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 4/6] netfilter: move generic hook infrastructure into net/core/hooks.c Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 23:59   ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 5/6] net: add netfilter ingress hook Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 18:53 ` [PATCH 6/6] net: move qdisc ingress filtering on top of netfilter ingress hooks Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 20:27   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-29 23:32     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-30  0:10       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30  0:20       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30  0:30         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  0:41           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30  0:48             ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  1:16               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-04-30  1:34                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  2:22                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-04-30  3:11                     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30 11:55                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-04-30 15:33                         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-30 16:09                           ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2015-04-30 16:36                             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-30 19:16                               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30 23:01                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-05-01  1:15                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-04-30 10:12                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-30 19:05                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-04-30  0:37       ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  1:04         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30  1:43           ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  2:35             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-04-30  3:29               ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  4:05                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  6:02                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-04-30  9:24                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30 10:28                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-04-29 23:36     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-30  0:00       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-30  0:15         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-29 21:53   ` Cong Wang
2015-04-29 23:37     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-04-29 23:42     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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