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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, coreteam@netfilter.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@netfilter.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] Replace xt_recseq with u64_stats.
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 00:16:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9IVs3LD3A1HPSS0@calendula> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250221133143.5058-1-bigeasy@linutronix.de>

Hi Sebastian,

On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 02:31:40PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> The per-CPU xt_recseq is a custom netfilter seqcount. It provides
> synchronisation for the replacement of the xt_table::private pointer and
> ensures that the two counter in xt_counters are properly observed during
> an update on 32bit architectures. xt_recseq also supports recursion.
> 
> This construct is less than optimal on PREMPT_RT because the lack of an
> associated lock (with the seqcount) can lead to a deadlock if a high
> priority reader interrupts a writter. Also xt_recseq relies on locking
> with BH-disable which becomes problematic if the lock, currently part of
> local_bh_disable() on PREEMPT_RT, gets removed.
> 
> This can be optimized unrelated to PREEMPT_RT:
> - Use RCU for synchronisation. This means ipt_do_table() (and the two
>   other) access xt_table::private within a RCU section.
>   xt_replace_table() replaces the pointer with rcu_assign_pointer() and
>   uses synchronize_rcu() to wait until each reader left RCU section.
> 
> - Use u64_stats_t for the statistics. The advantage here is that
>   u64_stats_sync which is use a seqcount is optimized away on 64bit
>   architectures. The increment becomes just an add, the read just a read
>   of the variable without a loop. On 32bit architectures the seqcount
>   remains but the scope is smaller.
> 
> The struct xt_counters is defined in a user exported header (uapi). So
> in patch #2 I tried to split the regular u64 access and the "internal   
> access" which treats the struct either as two counter or a per-CPU
> pointer. In order not to expose u64_stats_t to userland I added a "pad"
> which is cast to the internal type. I hoped that this makes it obvious
> that a function like xt_get_this_cpu_counter() expects the possible
> per-CPU type but mark_source_chains() or get_counters() expect the u64
> type without pointers.
> 
> v1…v2 https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250216125135.3037967-1-bigeasy@linutronix.de/
>   - Updated kerneldoc in 2/3 so that the renamed parameter is part of
>     it.
>   - Updated description 1/3 in case there are complains regarding the
>     synchronize_rcu(). The suggested course of action is to motivate
>     people to move away from "legacy" towards "nft" tooling. Last resort
>     is not to wait for the in-flight counter and just copy what is
>     there.

Kconfig !PREEMPT_RT for this is not an option, right?

Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-12 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-21 13:31 [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] Replace xt_recseq with u64_stats Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-21 13:31 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/3] netfilter: Make xt_table::private RCU protected Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-21 13:31 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/3] netfilter: Split the xt_counters type between kernel and user Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-21 13:31 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/3] netfilter: Use u64_stats for counters in xt_counters_k Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-07 16:57 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] Replace xt_recseq with u64_stats Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-12 23:16 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2025-03-13  8:34   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-20 12:41     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2025-03-21 10:24       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2025-03-24 16:29         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-24 17:47           ` Florian Westphal

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