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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [nf PATCH 2/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Add locking for NFT_MSG_GETRULE_RESET requests
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:32:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRFTx6pFYt2tZuSy@calendula> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230923161813.GB19098@breakpoint.cc>

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 06:18:13PM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> wrote:
> > > Can you split that into another patch?
> > 
> > You mean the whole creation of nf_tables_getrule_single()? Because the
> > above change is only required due to the changed return type.
> 
> Yes, I was wondering if there is a way to convert the return type
> in a different patch.
> 
> If its too costly, don't bother.
> 
> > > Hmm. Stupid question.  Why do we need a spinlock to serialize?
> > > This is now a distinct function, so:
> > 
> > On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:11:07PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I guess NFNL_CB_MUTEX is a no go because it locks down the whole
> > > subsystem, right?

NFNL_CB_MUTEX takes the global subsystem mutex, see
net/netfilter/nfnetlink.c

                case NFNL_CB_MUTEX:
                        rcu_read_unlock();
                        nfnl_lock(subsys_id);
                        ...

This does not help either for netlink dumps, because NFNL_CB_MUTEX
only guarantees that the first netlink dump chunk holds the mutex
while follow up calls to netlink_recvmsg() would be lockless.

Note, Florian updated nf_tables to use a per-netns mutex only.

> If thats really a concern. alernative would be to do same thing as
> nft_netlink_dump_start_rcu(), i.e. use _RCU as-is and then switch
> from rcu to module reference held, plus, in your case, the transaction
> mutex.
> 
> Actually I like that better because we already use this pattern and
> afaics all dumpers call rcu_read_lock for us; i.e.:
> 
> callback_that_might_reset()
> {
> 	try_module_get ...
> 	rcu_read_unlock()
> 	mutex_lock(net->commit_mutex)
> 	  dumper();
> 	mutex_unlock(net->commit_mutex)
> 	rcu_read_lock();
> 	module_put()
> }
>
> should do the trick.

Idiom above LGTM, *except for net->commit_mutex*. Please do not use
->commit_mutex: This will stall ruleset updates for no reason, netlink
dump would grab and release such mutex for each netlink_recvmsg() call
and netlink dump side will always retry because of NLM_F_EINTR.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-25  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23  1:38 [nf PATCH 0/5] Introduce locking for reset requests Phil Sutter
2023-09-23  1:38 ` [nf PATCH 1/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Don't allocate nft_rule_dump_ctx Phil Sutter
2023-09-23  1:38 ` [nf PATCH 2/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Add locking for NFT_MSG_GETRULE_RESET requests Phil Sutter
2023-09-23 11:04   ` Florian Westphal
2023-09-23 15:03     ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-23 16:18       ` Florian Westphal
2023-09-25  9:32         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2023-09-25 19:53           ` Florian Westphal
2023-09-26  9:34             ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-26 10:09               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-26 12:14                 ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-26 13:34                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-26 13:59                     ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-27 11:41                       ` Florian Westphal
2023-09-27 12:54                         ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-25 11:02     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-25 10:47   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-26  9:14     ` Phil Sutter
2023-09-26 10:00       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-25 10:48   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-25 11:01     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-23  1:38 ` [nf PATCH 3/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Introduce struct nft_obj_dump_ctx Phil Sutter
2023-09-23  1:38 ` [nf PATCH 4/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Add locking for NFT_MSG_GETOBJ_RESET requests Phil Sutter
2023-09-23  1:38 ` [nf PATCH 5/5] netfilter: nf_tables: Add locking for NFT_MSG_GETSETELEM_RESET requests Phil Sutter
2023-09-25 10:53   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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