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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:24:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRqaUeeYYKm4Eis1@calendula> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231002084746.GA19898@breakpoint.cc>

On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 10:47:46AM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org> wrote:
> > Looking at your series, I don't think we are that far each other, see
> > below.
> 
> Agree.
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 11:08:16PM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> > > I've pushed a (not very much tested) version of gc overhaul
> > > to passive lookups based on expiry candidates, this removes
> > > the need for gc sequence counters.
> > 
> > This patch ("netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: prefer sync gc to async
> > worker")
> > 
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/fwestphal/nf.git/commit/?h=nft_set_gc_query_08&id=edfeb02d758d6a96a3c1c9a483b69e43e5528e87
> > 
> > goes in the same direction I would like to go with my incomplete patch
> > I posted. However:
> > 
> > +static void nft_rbtree_commit(struct nft_set *set)
> > +{
> > +	struct nft_rbtree *priv = nft_set_priv(set);
> > +
> > +	if (time_after_eq(jiffies, priv->last_gc + nft_set_gc_interval(set)))
> > +		nft_rbtree_gc(set);
> > +}
> > 
> > I don't think this time_after_eq() to postpone element removal will
> > work. According to Stefano, you cannot store in the rbtree tree
> > duplicated elements.
> 
> Note that in this series the on-demand part is still in place,
> there will be no duplicate elements.

Right.

> > Same problem already exists for this set backend
> > in case a transaction add and delete elements in the same batch.
> > Unless we maintain two copies. I understand you don't want to maintain
> > the two copies but then this time_after_eq() needs to go away.
> 
> I can remove it, I don't think a full traversal (without doing
> anything) will be too costly.

OK, so what is your proposal to move on?

> > According to what I read it seems we agree on that, the only subtle
> > difference between your patch and my incomplete patch is this
> > time_after_eq().
> 
> Yes, your patch gets rid of on-demand gc, I agree that we cannot
> postpone full run in that case.

Yes.

> > > Its vs. nf.git but really should be re-targetted to nf-next, I'll
> > > try to do this next week:
> > > 
> > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/fwestphal/nf.git/log/?h=nft_set_gc_query_08
> > 
> > Thanks. The gc sequence removal is a different topic we have been
> > discussing for a while.
> 
> Yup.  I wanted to explore how much work this is, and it turns
> out it gets a lot less ugly of we don't have to hande rbtree and
> its end elements.

OK.

> > Would it be possible to incorrect zap an entry
> > with the transaction semantics? I mean:
> 
> Nope, should not happen.
> 
> > #1 transaction to remove element k in set x y
> > #2 flush set x y (removes dead element k)
> > #3 add element k to set x y expires 3 minutes
> > #4 gc transaction freshly added new element
> >
> > In this case, no dead flag is set on in this new element k on so GC
> > transaction will skip it.
> 
> The GC will do lookup, will find the element, will
> see its neither dead nor expired so it will be skipped.
>
> At least thats the idea, entries get zapped only
> if they are expired or dead (to handle packet path deletion).

Agreed, it is an extra lookup, but it is safer approach.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-02 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-29 16:44 [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 16:44 ` [PATCH nf 2/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: remove async GC Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 22:25 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-30  8:10   ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-01 20:10     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-01 21:08       ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02  8:20         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02  8:47           ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 10:24             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2023-10-02 12:42         ` update element timeout support [was Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit] Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 13:58           ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 14:21             ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  8:22               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03  9:04                 ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  9:42                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03 18:24                     ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-04  8:30                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:10             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:14               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 14:23 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 21:37   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:42   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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